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Shadowlands PvP Rewards
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Since we implemented an updated design for Shadowlands PvP gearing into the Beta this week, we’ve seen several requests for a more-detailed explanation of the intentions behind the system.

Previously in the Shadowlands Beta, we tested a design where Conquest served as both the currency for the Great Vault and the currency for purchasing PvP gear from the vendors, with a weekly cap. From the outset, two of our main goals with PvP gearing in Shadowlands were:

  • Give players more direct control over their gearing by spending earned Conquest at PvP vendors, with an accessible cap and catch-up system.
  • Allow the Great Vault to supplement PvP gearing for Rated players, with a rewards track that is closely aligned to other organized endgame activities (Mythic Keystone dungeons, Raiding).

However, in Beta testing, we found that because by definition Conquest can’t be earned after hitting the weekly cap, using the same currency for both systems made capping Conquest and earning Conquest gear take much more effort than had been the case in past expansions’ iterations of the Conquest system.

In the live game, we recently updated Honor to be a currency that is rewarded by all PvP activities, including Rated ones. So in this design, we’ve shifted the Great Vault to require Honor from Rated activities only. Earning Honor through Rated PvP each week will result in a valuable reward from the Great Vault, and that allows us to detach Conquest from the Great Vault and place the Conquest cap much lower.

This means that players who do Rated PvP will earn their purchases from the PvP vendor much faster, and since Honor from Rated activities is uncapped, those who are really into PvP can continue to progress towards unlocking the second and third Great Vault options after capping Conquest for the week.


As the Beta winds down, please know that we greatly appreciate all of the testing and player feedback we’ve received since focused PvP testing began in the Shadowlands Beta. Thank you for all of your forum posts and tweets and bug reports and Youtube videos. We’re really looking forward to the PvP scene in this expansion.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Shadowlands PvP Rewards started by chaud View original post
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  1. socialmaker's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?
    you and me both
  1. Redzonetode's Avatar
    So...

    Currently, I can get conquest from unranked, random BGs, and overtime it builds up to where I can acquire Gladiator gear. Is this changing at all in Shadowlands? I'm worried I won't be able to get the gladiator appearance (not elite) without ranked pvp.
  1. Zeanix's Avatar
    Blizzard just remove PVP at this point, you're not even trying anymore...
  1. Sinaa's Avatar
    On a side note, the pvp elite armor sets look pretty good, but the actual pve raid sets (including M) are trash..
  1. Sanguinerd's Avatar
    Stop trying to force us to do rated pvp already.. RBGs is a dead scene and arena is simply not fun for some.

    But who cares about people who enjoy random bgs right, just screw them over like you always do.

    I'll take the current system over this one.
  1. ReVnX's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    I DO play Alliance for faster queues And even if i play horde, i go mercenary mode!
    Faster queues are king when u just want to PLAY the game and not caring about winning/losing.

    I just want to spam random Bgs and be rewarded for it T_T
    By losing 70% of them? Doesn't sound fun to me
  1. chiddie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ReVnX View Post
    By losing 70% of them? Doesn't sound fun to me
    Alliance probably loses more, but many of us can’t simply afford to spend 30 mins in queue in one hour to do a couple of bgs. I hate playing bgs as alliance but without mercenary mode I would have probably completely stopped doing PvP, my sessions are too short to be wasted in queues (that’s also why I basically play healer or tank in M+).
  1. Fkiolaris's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Nope, if you read it you can only unlock the Great Value via Honor you earned in Rated Content only. Battlegrounds will give you nothing.

    So you will either have to do Arena's or Rated Battlegrounds if you want Great Vault rewards. Where as before you could do regular battlegrounds daily and get a Conquest Points for the great vault. So this basically removed that option.
    That's what I understand too, and it just plain sucks. I will forever be puzzled as to why they felt they needed to obliterate the pvp gearing system they had in WoD and just split/ merge//reinvent everything all the time about it, every single expansion.
  1. Algorath's Avatar
    I don't quite understand this change, can someone explain it to me?
    Before was honor for PVP, conquest for Rated PVP (As we're used to)
    Now it's Honor for PVP, Rated Honor for Rated PVP (New and improved)

    ... To me it sounds like exactly the same thing, just with another name? ... Am I dumb?
  1. Szaas's Avatar
    So I see a large portion of the player population (and I agree with them) asking for an incentive for random BGs because it is the most fun, and nothing is done in that direction. Since the beginning of rated.
    A lot of us don't give 2 shts about rated pvp, and especially arenas. You can make them earn cash prizes, air it on TV, it doesn't change anything. We want BG love.
  1. Rucati's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Algorath View Post
    I don't quite understand this change, can someone explain it to me?
    Before was honor for PVP, conquest for Rated PVP (As we're used to)
    Now it's Honor for PVP, Rated Honor for Rated PVP (New and improved)

    ... To me it sounds like exactly the same thing, just with another name? ... Am I dumb?
    Basically it's an extra thing you can earn through rated PvP after Conquest caps. Because currently if you cap Conquest, which doesn't take very long, there's not any real reason to continue doing rated PvP other than grinding rating, which a lot of people don't care about and also stops mattering after a certain point. This gives you a reward for continuing to play rated after you've finished capping conquest.

    Seems like a good change honestly, puts more rewards into rated PvP which considering there really haven't been any rewards in a very long time I'm a fan of this change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Szaas View Post
    So I see a large portion of the player population (and I agree with them) asking for an incentive for random BGs because it is the most fun, and nothing is done in that direction. Since the beginning of rated.
    A lot of us don't give 2 shts about rated pvp, and especially arenas. You can make them earn cash prizes, air it on TV, it doesn't change anything. We want BG love.

    The majority of people don't enjoy random BGs and only do them when they're required. Did you see all the backlash about Blood of the Enemy being a reward for BGs? And that wasn't even that much of a grind all things considered.

    Random BGs aren't going anywhere, they just aren't adding rewards, which seems fine. Rewards should be given for accomplishing something, killing a raid boss, clearing a dungeon, or winning a competitive PvP match. Random BGs aren't an accomplishment because they don't require any amount of skill or effort and can be literally AFK'd, so adding more rewaards there doesn't really make much sense.
  1. Algorath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    Basically it's an extra thing you can earn through rated PvP after Conquest caps. Because currently if you cap Conquest, which doesn't take very long, there's not any real reason to continue doing rated PvP other than grinding rating, which a lot of people don't care about and also stops mattering after a certain point. This gives you a reward for continuing to play rated after you've finished capping conquest.

    Seems like a good change honestly, puts more rewards into rated PvP which considering there really haven't been any rewards in a very long time I'm a fan of this change.
    But.... you get honor from rated PVP as it stands now? During, and after the conquest cap, you still get bg/arena and HK honor..

    What difference is there now? Other than changing the word "Conquest" to "Rated Honor"
  1. Itisamuh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rucati View Post
    Random BGs aren't going anywhere, they just aren't adding rewards, which seems fine. Rewards should be given for accomplishing something, killing a raid boss, clearing a dungeon, or winning a competitive PvP match. Random BGs aren't an accomplishment because they don't require any amount of skill or effort and can be literally AFK'd, so adding more rewaards there doesn't really make much sense.
    It also makes no sense for people who primarily do that content to have the worst gear for that content. They really should just remove gear as a factor completely and be done with it.
  1. Kumorii's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Crysis View Post
    depends, do you play alliance? cause if you did, you wouldnt
    Everyone says this yet when I play BG's for some reason or another Alliance seems to win a lot.
  1. Shadoowpunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Nope, if you read it you can only unlock the Great Value via Honor you earned in Rated Content only. Battlegrounds will give you nothing.

    So you will either have to do Arena's or Rated Battlegrounds if you want Great Vault rewards. Where as before you could do regular battlegrounds daily and get a Conquest Points for the great vault. So this basically removed that option.
    It seems that honor you CAN earn via battlegrounds is of great value to upgrade the gear you get in Arena!
    So spaming BG's is not bad im kinda happy
  1. Gratlim's Avatar
    So, no pvp honor vendor after all for non-rated pvp? And we get to know that 2 days before launch? You've got to be kidding me.

    You just want to force PVPers doing rated stuff because participation is **t? At that point just remove non rated and add a "Random RBG" queue in game.

    There goes the hype for endgame shadowlands. I played random BGs since BC and quit arena in WotLK (after spamming rated pvp for 3 years). Pillar hugging simulator is just fun for so long.
  1. Shadoowpunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gratlim View Post
    So, no pvp honor vendor after all for non-rated pvp? And we get to know that 2 days before launch? You've got to be kidding me.

    You just want to force PVPers doing rated stuff because participation is **t? At that point just remove non rated and add a "Random RBG" queue in game.

    There goes the hype for endgame shadowlands. I played random BGs since BC and quit arena in WotLK (after spamming rated pvp for 3 years). Pillar hugging simulator is just fun for so long.
    The only way to have decent unranked pvp gear is if there is a pvp stat.
    This is a nice compromise, no?

    Unranked BGs give honor (at least) to upgrade the gear.
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    It seems that honor you CAN earn via battlegrounds is of great value to upgrade the gear you get in Arena!
    So spaming BG's is not bad im kinda happy
    You could, but at the same time you'll be earning honor in Arena and Rated Battlegrounds so you wouldn't need regular battlegrounds. If I recall too the gear you earn from Arena / Rated is the same as the Great Vaults and requires Conquest Points to upgrade. Honor only upgrades the regular gear you can buy from battlegrounds.
  1. Shadoowpunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    Honor only upgrades the regular gear you can buy from battlegrounds.
    Are you sure? I think honor is used to upgrade every PvP piece. Not only "random Battleground gear"

  1. Vaulton05's Avatar
    Shadowlands comes out in 3 days and Blizzard decides to overhaul the PvP system? LOL

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