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Shadowlands PvP Rewards
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Since we implemented an updated design for Shadowlands PvP gearing into the Beta this week, we’ve seen several requests for a more-detailed explanation of the intentions behind the system.

Previously in the Shadowlands Beta, we tested a design where Conquest served as both the currency for the Great Vault and the currency for purchasing PvP gear from the vendors, with a weekly cap. From the outset, two of our main goals with PvP gearing in Shadowlands were:

  • Give players more direct control over their gearing by spending earned Conquest at PvP vendors, with an accessible cap and catch-up system.
  • Allow the Great Vault to supplement PvP gearing for Rated players, with a rewards track that is closely aligned to other organized endgame activities (Mythic Keystone dungeons, Raiding).

However, in Beta testing, we found that because by definition Conquest can’t be earned after hitting the weekly cap, using the same currency for both systems made capping Conquest and earning Conquest gear take much more effort than had been the case in past expansions’ iterations of the Conquest system.

In the live game, we recently updated Honor to be a currency that is rewarded by all PvP activities, including Rated ones. So in this design, we’ve shifted the Great Vault to require Honor from Rated activities only. Earning Honor through Rated PvP each week will result in a valuable reward from the Great Vault, and that allows us to detach Conquest from the Great Vault and place the Conquest cap much lower.

This means that players who do Rated PvP will earn their purchases from the PvP vendor much faster, and since Honor from Rated activities is uncapped, those who are really into PvP can continue to progress towards unlocking the second and third Great Vault options after capping Conquest for the week.


As the Beta winds down, please know that we greatly appreciate all of the testing and player feedback we’ve received since focused PvP testing began in the Shadowlands Beta. Thank you for all of your forum posts and tweets and bug reports and Youtube videos. We’re really looking forward to the PvP scene in this expansion.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Shadowlands PvP Rewards started by chaud View original post
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  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Are you sure? I think honor is used to upgrade every PvP piece. Not only "random Battleground gear"
    You are right. I forgot they changed it at some point. So essentially what happens is PvP goes from Rank 1-7 which caps at 197 and can be upgraded with honor. You can get Conquest gear that has 2 ranks and goes from 190-200. So any gear you buy with Conquest you earned from Arena's / Rated Battlegrounds can be used to upgrade those two pieces of gear. Basically meaning any honor you get from earning it for the Great Vault can be easily used towards those upgrades and still not needing regular battlegrounds.
  1. ZDudzik's Avatar
    This is the single greatest change I've ever seen to PVP gearing. Just got done watching Stoopzz's video on this edit and I have to say, I've been playing WoW for 15 years and this is the most excited I have ever been for an expansion. I can honestly say this might be the best PVP gearing system ever launched. Arena matters, RGBs matter, random BGs matter, pvp gear is BiS for pvp, you have OPTIONS for how you acquire gear, alt gearing is fast and easy to catchup making it a super alt-friendly expansion. I'm literally thrilled to play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heheszek View Post
    I hope i wont need to play any casual content x hours per day to stay competetive ... 1h war front 1 h visions 1h emisary quest with titanforge gem bis offsats procs 1h other bsht content
    just queue freaking arenas all day long like back in the day on few chars to have fun
    You can just spam arena all day long and earn conquest, rating, and honor and be golden brother!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeanix View Post
    Blizzard just remove PVP at this point, you're not even trying anymore...
    Greatest system they have literally ever created. All aspects of pvp now matter. There will finally be a healthy pvp ecosystem again.
  1. Pontifice's Avatar
    It is so lovely that those sweet vendors are coming back!
    Perhaps this time to never go away!
  1. ZDudzik's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    It also makes no sense for people who primarily do that content to have the worst gear for that content. They really should just remove gear as a factor completely and be done with it.
    Now you literallly get to USE that honor (which you currently can't) towards upgrading gear. It is MEANINGLESS honor right now. In SL, it will have value again hence the incentive to finally do the stuff again.
  1. oplawlz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?
    No, there are many of us - unfortunately blizzard cant monetize us through esports so they don't give a shit about us.
  1. ZDudzik's Avatar
    Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?
    GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!
  1. Shadoowpunk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ZDudzik View Post
    Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!

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    GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!
    I know! Seems good! AAAAAA yelling!
  1. ZDudzik's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlucia View Post
    I'm with you! It's the main reason I've stuck to wow for about half of my life. I've got about 400k hk's on my account from many years of just queueing bgs for fun. Wish they'd get some more love.
    Precisely! They finally have meaning!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Thats the dream of every PvP youtuber, twitch streamer, redditor, twitter user and onlyfans player.
    I sure hope so...
    GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    I wouldn't mind it so much - but I just wish they let healers into my team of random BGs. If that happened - it would be a much more fun experience.

    /sarcasm
    GOOD! The honor from random BGs is now finally relevant as you use it to upgrade gear versus being COMPLETELY USELESS in all the most recent expansions. Blizzard just gave you what you want; meaning for random BGs!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankfaced View Post
    Well fudge lickers. Third expansion in a row I won't be playing. Not sure why it's such an inconceivable notion that people who play random bgs be able to gear up and not get facerolled by raiders who use 10 addons to play the game for them.
    Good luck trying to farm the requirements for the 3rd vault tier via conquest from Random BGs. This literally was a great change because now ALL forms of pvp content matter. Get conquest from any rated source, random bgs contribute meaningful honor finally so you can upgrade gear, and even forgotten forms of pvp like RGBs now look good because you can get honor fast from it to get a 3rd vault drop. BRILLIANT move by Blizz.
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ZDudzik View Post
    Everyone in this thread is forgetting HONOR FROM UNRANKED PVP STILL GIVES YOU HONOR TO UPGRAD YOUR GEAR!!!!! The VAULT is the only thing affected by honor from ranked sources. I.E. ALL forms of pvp now matter!!!!!
    Except it's not really. All this change does is force people back into doing dungeons and raids to get gear to be on par with other conquest players.

    PvP Gear starts out at 158 (same level as normal dungeons and covenant is 3 item level's less)

    Then Honor gear upgrades 158/164/171/177/183/190/197 and caps at the 197 spot.

    You can get iLvL 200 from your weekly heroic, +7-9 M+ (or +2 Great Vault), Normal Raids or be Ranked 0 and get a piece from Great Vault.
    You can get iLvL 197 from +6 M+, LFR (gives 194).

    Pieces cost varying amounts:

    2H Weapons 1H Weapons
    Head
    Chest
    Leg
    Shield
    Offhands
    Shoulders
    Hands
    Waist
    Feet
    Neck
    Ring
    Cloak
    Wrist
    Trinket
    Rank 2 2625 1500 750 1200 900
    Rank 3 3150 1800 2100 1440 1080
    Rank 4 3675 2100 1050 1680 1260
    Rank 5 4200 2400 1200 1920 1440
    Rank 6 4725 2700 1350
    2160 1620
    Total 18,375 10,500 6,450 8,400 6,300

    You'll get on average about ~250 honor per battleground calculating in wins and losses at about 50% rate. So to fully upgrade one piece of gear to max you'll need at least 25 battlegrounds. These numbers don't account for the initial cost of the item either. In order to upgrade every single slot to max (assuming 1H/OH/Shield; 2H is a bit more) you'll need 126,150 Honor or 14.34 Honor Ranks. Just for upgrading and if you need to purchase it add on about another 10,000 (at least).

    Before this Great Vault change you could get Conquest from BG wins/Arena's/RBG's/other activities and get item level 200 gear negating a good chunk of the upgrading cost per week possibly. As you still had RNG on slots you would get due to likely only 1 vault opened rather than all 3.
  1. Gratlim's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaulton05 View Post
    Shadowlands comes out in 3 days and Blizzard decides to overhaul the PvP system? LOL
    IKR, it's completely crazy. That's the first time i see them doing something like that that close to launch.

    My choices for pvp now as solo Alliance:
    - Classic 99% loss to premades WSG AB / 99% loss AV
    - Retail useless pvp (no gearing / reward)
    - Retail pillar hugging simulator skirmish (no gearing / reward)
    - Classic join a toxic premade and close matches in 5 min (win or loss), no pvp beside the first sapper party.
    - Retail buy token to buy carry rbg / arena (my guess is that it is the business model right there for Blizz to cash in on the p2w)


    Pick your poison

    At least with have Torghast now. But damn this is a bad last minute call. I wish we had back BC pvp system.
  1. Atrieus's Avatar
    If it turns out i can gear my alts in bgs. At least to a level where they are moderately useful. The new point system may be a godsend.

    Revert it back to TBC , or an iteration of it, f all else fails
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Atrieus View Post
    If it turns out i can gear my alts in bgs. At least to a level where they are moderately useful. The new point system may be a godsend.

    Revert it back to TBC , or an iteration of it, f all else fails
    If that's all you want then you might as well skip BG's and just farm heroics for gear along with World Quests. Less stress/time overall since you'll need at least 30 bg's for 1 piece to be upgraded to 197 when you can get 200 from WQ's after a bit.
    @Fayntic made this chart here so you can have a better idea.

  1. Atrieus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucetia View Post
    If that's all you want then you might as well skip BG's and just farm heroics for gear along with World Quests. Less stress/time overall since you'll need at least 30 bg's for 1 piece to be upgraded to 197 when you can get 200 from WQ's after a bit.
    @Fayntic made this chart here so you can have a better idea.

    Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
    Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Atrieus View Post
    Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
    Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.
    Yeah, everything they said about how it should be sounded good on paper, but as soon as we start looking at numbers it looks terrible. The only thing I can see them doing is reducing the cost of upgrades. Even if they made it 250 for Rank 1, Rank 2 at 500, Rank 3 at 750, etc that's still 5,250 honor and an average of 21 games per piece.

    If they increase the amount of honor you get from games then it'll mess up their Honor Level ranking system (which I still think requires too much to begin with). I'd like to see them adjust it, but not sure how they could do it realistically. They would either make it so yo heroic/WQ gear is better (currently now) or make it super easy to upgrade and you bypass Heroic/WQ to get PvP gear quicker.
  1. Rucati's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    It also makes no sense for people who primarily do that content to have the worst gear for that content. They really should just remove gear as a factor completely and be done with it.
    The problem with giving gear for BGs is you can literally be AFK and do them. Blizzard doesn't tend to give gear for activities you can do while AFK because that would be pretty stupid.

    If you want to be strong in BGs you have to play other aspects of the game that require you to actually play the game, but considering random BGs are irrelevant anyway I don't see why it matters what gear you have for them.
  1. LordTakeo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    Am i really the only person who absolutely LOVES random BG's in this god forsaken place?
    I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
    Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.
  1. Gravity2015's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LordTakeo View Post
    I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
    Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.


    your lips to my Gods ears
  1. Lucetia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by LordTakeo View Post
    I love it too, but now it gives others an incentive to go in aswell.
    Which means there's more players, aka less que time in the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity2015 View Post
    your lips to my Gods ears
    You do realize there is no incentive to do regular battlegrounds? I've illustrated it in many posts above why. In all of those I also forgot to mention that in order to even upgrade your PvP gear you need certain Renown ranks. So unless you plan on capping your renown on alts as much as possible your alts won't be getting PvP gear and you'll be better off grinding heroics/mythics/lfr/normal raids/world quests.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atrieus View Post
    Did not realise it was so low/slow from honor.
    Granted thats an easy adjustment for them to make, that chart is super useful though.
    One thing I did forget to mention too was that upgrading your PvP gear is based on Renown ranks for Rank 5 and 7 though the Renown table doesn't mention 2-4 or 6.. So unless your Renown is up decently you won't be upgrading those pieces either. Rank 5 unlocks at Week 3 (Rank 7) and Rank 7 unlocks at week 7 (Rank 22)
  1. Redzonetode's Avatar
    Do the daily, random and unranked battle grounds, still reward conquest for a win?

    If not, does that mean the Gladiator (not elite) appearance is now locked behind rated pvp, which it never has been before?
  1. Clozer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Redzonetode View Post
    Do the daily, random and unranked battle grounds, still reward conquest for a win?

    If not, does that mean the Gladiator (not elite) appearance is now locked behind rated pvp, which it never has been before?
    Couldn't you just buy it a season later for honour? If the appearance is what you are after. Although I'm not sure if you can still get conquest from unrated pvp. I don't see a reason why not tho.

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