In-Game Advertising Policy Update, Subcreation, World First Atiesh

Funny how Atiesh is only slightly better than the staff he is already using lol. And even has less intellect. It's a freaking legendary. It should also be a legendary upgrade, even if it makes casters dominate over other classes for there being no legendary for them.

As for the ban, that just sucks. If there is a recent (Or unannounced) rule change, a warning should be applied instead of perma. I wonder why the reddit post has so few karma. I guess everyone just hates boosters. I've started to kinda hate them as well after having to report more than 50 of them every day for using the LFG tool.

Great to hear that blizzard finally started reacting. Why have the report feature if the only goal is to ignore it. I'm guessing once enough people report a character(let's be honest they're just mass produced low level characters) spamming trade chat with boosts and what they act now. I'll use the term "spamming" loosely because most of them have a script that says whatever every minute or so. It all is starting to make sense. Noticed a drop of chat activity in trade(boost sells) on my server couldn't figure out what it was until I found this.

Originally Posted by Myranda01

just because you see a lot of people advertising for a community, or different communities doesn't mean they're spamming... i used to advertise for a community as well and only said something every 45 sec - min.

That's literally spamming. Every hour or so might be okay, but every minute? Holy shit you must have gotten reported tons of times. I would certainly have reported you, if only to put you on the hidden ignore list.

Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy

WoRlD fiRsT aTiEsH oCcurReD iN 2006

lol now that's funny!

Originally Posted by glowpipe

Is the Atiesh staff new in classic or is is the same exact item that was acquired in 2006 ?
I rest my case.
World first ateish was obtained in 2006 and there is nothing more to be discussed

How many people have atiesh in classic as per this post?

Originally Posted by Kuja

As for the ban, that just sucks. If there is a recent (Or unannounced) rule change, a warning should be applied instead of perma. I wonder why the reddit post has so few karma. I guess everyone just hates boosters.

r/wow is just full of self-righteous casuals, I heard people had to make "competitivewow" subreddit to talk about stuff like raid strats and weak auras and sims because they were treated with "lol nerd get a life" attitude on the main sub.

Reddit also shows why mmo-champ should NOT get upvotes and downvotes, it's just a huge circlejerk in there, any sub (not only wow related) has usually bandwagoners that downvote everything that doesn't agree with the main narrative of that sub.

To be honest, I've checked that thread and this was the best commentary to the whole situation:

A good lesson to be learned that carries through to the real world as well: No one cares if you are treated unfairly, unlawfully, etc. if the thing you're doing is something people don't like.

It's a hypocritical attitude because if everyone was condemning boosting as much as they claim, boosters would go out of business because nobody would be buying it. Meanwhile it's thriving because a lot of these people openly scoff at boosts but silently buy them.

It's the same thing as people who openly claim sex workers are immoral but somehow don't mind going to strip clubs and hiring "escorts". But if someone robbed, raped or beaten a prostitute, how many people would sympathize with her instead of claiming she asked for it when she chose that job.

Blizzard legalized boosts because it increases token sales - players who want a boost often don't have enough gold and buy it. On the other hand, Blizzard doesn't care to treat the boosting with any proper care, that includes harassing and banning the boosters for random reasons, and refusing to help boost buyers if they get scammed.

To be honest, their customer support policies are awful, not only they refuse to help in 90% of types of problems / disputes because they don't want to deal with it (scams, loot disputes, guild disputes, wrongful silences / votekicks, bugged quests, lost achievements), but when they actually decide to get involved, it's a complete roulette whether you get a helpful GM, an asshole GM, or a GM that would maybe want to help you but is so damn clueless about the product he's working in it's a waste of time. It's much more likely that if your character is bugged in some way that you'll 1) figure out solution by yourself 2) figure the solution by googling it, than a GM having an idea wtf are you talking about.

No clue why do you need years upon years of experience of working in customer support before they'd even consider hiring you as a GM, but players have to wait days for an answer and then the quality of it is as if the service was outsourced to interns in 3rd world country.

[QUOTE=Otaka;52932739]You forgot one crucial detail: Classic is NOT Vanilla. Its merely a remake.

People have been saying this forever and then when someone goes "World First on Classic" people like you go "reeee its not world first this was done in 2005", when it couldnt have been done since classic was released in 2019.

Stop treating them as the same game... its basically a remake but not for graphics. The whole classic is built on modern client architecture so alot of the vanilla specific "features" are no longer present... even the native 400ms lag is no longer possible and thats why blizzard artificially added it. (servers were slower back then, and so were internet connections, among other things)
And as you said everyone knows every strat for bosses... so its not the same game from community standpoint either.

That blaring word "Classic" should be enough for people to understand its not the same game.

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"Is not the same game" "Is a remake"

That literaly dosent make sense. Yes is a re-make, with the same values, same strats, same everything. SO?

World First literaly means noone else got to do that before... Thousands have beaten Naxx40 before, hence NOT WORLD FIRST...

Not only that.. it even has less merit because is achieved with much better technology... Naxx40 is literaly easier now, not because of the game itself, but because of the machines we get to play on, and the current internet speeds....

You guys are so stupid, clinging to that "oh yeah we are world firsts" ... why?

If someone already did it, and you got to read all the strats online, watch videos of it... you are NOT world first... Oh because the company copy pasted the game to new servers? Seriously?

Honestly, you guys just insulting the real world first, the OG players that had to learn and develop the strats themselves. You just walking on their steps, and trying to claim some way of "glory"... why?

While I don't agree with the manner in which @MrPaladinGuy is advancing their opinion, I do share in the sentiment: It is not newsworthy. Anything that was newsworthy for classic WoW took place during those said days. An emulator doesn't matter simply by virtue of it being an emulator -- not quite the same game with players that today benefit from so much more than what was available to them in yesteryear. (I should know since I played classic when it was current.)

It may be an accomplishment in some circles, to be sure, but a feat it is not.

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With regards to the incident over advertising accounts, I find it puzzling that so many are responding to it with their opinion on advertising in general rather than sticking to the main points of this specific case. Regardless of how one feels about boosting, the OP on r/wow contended that the rules were changed without making people aware of it before-hand and it being applied unevenly.

While I personally don't care much (if at all) for boosting and feel that there were some very important details left out by that OP, I do find the argument concerning. It's good that Blizzard has since made their stance more explicit, but I have to wonder at the manner in which the company has gone about it. You'll notice that while this news post displays the policy update as a blue post, it's not an actual blue post -- at least not in how the term "blue post" is typically used. Clicking on the link takes you to a support article that indicates it was updated yesterday, but other than that Blizzard has been rather quiet about it all. Hopefully they'll prove to be more vocal about it in the near future.

Originally Posted by juanfiles

you guys don't get it... There's no "world firsts" in classic. Is like saying "i'm the world first player to end darksouls 1 in 2020!" or "world first super mario world 106% in 2020!"

the world first atiesh was achieved in 2006. Anyone else to get it after that is not "world first" by the definition of it... Or did you see "world first atiesh nostalrius"? "world first atiesh in tbc 2007!"

there's no merit in getting atiesh or kel'thuzad in 2020, because all those feats were achieved years ago, and everybody and their grandma now have access to all the strategies, secrets, tips...

I pay respects to nihilum, who got kt down for the first time ever in world of warcraft. Not to 2020 random streamer who read the strats online hundreds of times, got to practice in private servers and ptr...

If anything, you can call this... Server first atiesh...

Is not realy that big of an accomplishment to beat a 16 year old game that has been beaten for thousands of players before...

exactly. 100%.

Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy

World First Atiesh occurred in 2006

Buh Classic...

Ok, first guy in 15 years, in the second iteration of a long past event, attaining an item that has little relevance outside of a niche group of players enjoying themselves far away from everyone else...?

Good job on being the first, second guy?

Originally Posted by Alayea

While I don't agree with the manner in which @MrPaladinGuy is advancing their opinion, I do share in the sentiment: It is not newsworthy. Anything that was newsworthy for classic WoW took place during those said days. An emulator doesn't matter simply by virtue of it being an emulator -- not quite the same game with players that today benefit from so much more than what was available to them in yesteryear. (I should know since I played classic when it was current.)

It may be an accomplishment in some circles, to be sure, but a feat it is not.

That sounds entirely subjective tbh. I haven't cared about classic since I've stopped after clearing T1 consistently and got bored. I still acknowledge that Classic has its base that are very much in love with that version of WoW.

Atiesh maybe have been done in 2005 but the post clearly states "Classic WoW". Jokerd reached world first 60 in Classic, APES did world first Rag/Only kill in Classic, don't know nor care about the other first clear achievements but they still exist.

Originally Posted by Otaka

Classic didnt exist in 2006, it was released in 2019. I hope you know the difference.

I don't think you do.

"They're not the same game."

Oh sorry, then what's the value offer here? And why is it even worth remarking on?

World first occurred in 2006.

The only reason boosting communities exist is to make REAL MONEY TRADES.

Do you really think someone creates websites, addons and makes billions of gold to buy themselves a mount, boe or buy some pots for a raid?

The sole purpose of boosting communities is that some few individuals can pay their rent.

So I'm not sure why they're allowed anyway.
And i definitely feel not sorry for this guy.
But yeah, I'd do it too if it's profitable enough.
But don't cry in public when your illegal business gets shot down, that's just silly.

Originally Posted by MrPaladinGuy

World First Atiesh occurred in 2006

Assuming you're not a troll, why is this so important to you?

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Originally Posted by Alayea

While I don't agree with the manner in which @MrPaladinGuy is advancing their opinion, I do share in the sentiment: It is not newsworthy. Anything that was newsworthy for classic WoW took place during those said days. An emulator doesn't matter simply by virtue of it being an emulator -- not quite the same game with players that today benefit from so much more than what was available to them in yesteryear. (I should know since I played classic when it was current.)

It may be an accomplishment in some circles, to be sure, but a feat it is not.

Everything is newsorthy if there are enough people who find interest in it. If you dont find it interesting, it is fine.

This is, by definition, newsworthy.

Originally Posted by Gratlim

Haha good Bli$$ard here:
"Selling in-game items and services such as carries or boosting for real money is not allowed" (because we do not get a penny from it)
"Selling items and services for gold is allowed" (because we know most will buy tokens from us to get gold "legally")

Priceless. Good way to make easy cash

Because if they let your ass buy from some random russian or chinese that turns out to be a scammer you come to Blizzard and cry waah i got scammed by this random guy give me money or gold now.

So only warlocks can use it that explains why i been seeing a influx of that class lately.

Originally Posted by det

To me the more interesting part is how people can actually get into a fight over this. To show that nobody truly cares, there should be zero posts acknowledging this.

It was never said It's not a matter of "no one cares" - rather, "there's nothing to celebrate here, stop pretending like there is."

We can get into the bigger discussion of Classic being the same thing as vanilla, except Classic is really a "safe space" and not really as competitive as everyone claims it to be.

Originally Posted by Devilyaki

Wow classic, they said so in the post. Not sure how else to say it. Classic is its only little thing.

I think the point the person you are quoting is trying to say is just because the game got "rereleased" does not mean that every time someone gets XYZ item or kills XYZ boss that it counts as a "world first" or similar title. This is essentially a "private" server, just run by the 1st party instead of a 3rd party team.

Originally Posted by Toybox

So they're just reiterating no boost spam is allowed in the group finder basically? That's fair.

What's the ruling on Twitch advertising in LFG? I've always thought it to be the same so I've just wanted them all gone

I report those also. it's advertising.

using LFG for spamming sales is not a new rule, they said that way back over a year ago.