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BlizzConline 2021 - World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade Classic What's Next Panel
The WoW team reveals what to expect next from World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade Classic!



Burning Crusade Classic
  • Released in 2021 and Beta will be soon.
  • Burning Crusade will run just like Classic, the old data on modern code.
  • Addition of Draenei and Blood Elves.
  • Paladins for Horde and Shaman for Alliance.
  • Addition of Jewelcrafting profession.
  • Addition of flying in Outland.

Bugs in First Working Build
  • The first playtest of a working Burning Crusade Classic had a bug in which the character creator had naked characters.
  • Draenei character creator bug had the gnome character background with the camera focus on their waist.

Additions and Changes
  • Spell batching is removed.
  • Raid bosses will be released in their original state with only the most crucial nerfs from the past included.
  • Paladins Seal of Blood and Seal of Vengeance will be available to both factions.
  • Arena teams will be able to have more members than bracket size. This way you can have a roster to play with instead of just specific people.
  • Draenei and Blood Elves will be added in prepatch so you can level before Burning Crusade.

Phases
  • Phase 1 - Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, and Magtheridon's Lair
  • Phase 2 - Serpentshrine Cavern and Tempest Keep
  • Phase 3 - Hyjal, Black Temple
  • Phase 4- Zul'Aman
  • Phase 5 - Sunwell

Servers
  • Current Classic Servers become Progression Servers
  • Classic Era realms will launch with the release of Burning Crusade. These will be Classic until the end of time.
  • You can choose on a character by character basis to progress with the server or move the character to an Classic Era server.
  • There will be a paid option to make a copy of your character so you can keep it in Classic and move on to Burning Crusade.

Paid Boost
  • There will be a Level 58 boost
  • One per account
  • Classic Era realms only
  • Level 40 mount and skill to go with it
  • No professions
  • Geared in Dungeon blues
  • Unavailable to new races



World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade Classic Deep Dive
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Join WoW Classic lead producer Holly Longdale, production director Patrick Dawson, and lead software engineer Brian Birmingham for a deeper look into the Burning Crusade Classic in this BlizzConline panel.

Burning Crusade Classic Features
As with any expansion, Burning Crusade Classic brings with it a variety of content for players to explore. Through the launch and over the course of content updates to follow, players will discover:

  • New Lands to Explore: Step through the Dark Portal and into Outland.
  • Two New Playable Races: Fight for the Horde as the blood elves, seeking a new source of arcane power or join the Alliance as the draenei, exiles from Outland in search of a new home.
  • Arenas: Assemble allies and prove your PvP prowess in 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5 combat in Arenas such as the Ring of Trials and the Circle of Blood.
  • Flying Mounts: Take flight in the chaotic skies of Netherstorm and soar over fel-touched Shadowmoon Valley with the introduction of flying mounts in Outland.
  • Master Challenging Raids and Dungeons: Conquer 5-player dungeons and Heroic dungeons set in the crystalline fortress of Tempest Keep, or raid the haunted halls of 10-player Karazhan as you gear up over time for a climactic confrontation against Kil’jaeden in 25-player Sunwell Plateau.
  • Jewelcrafting: Carve gems of power to socket into players’ gear with the Jewelcrafting profession.
  • Aldor and Scryer Factions: Choose between the Aldor or Scryer factions in Shattrath and earn their unique rewards
  • Create a paladin on the Horde or a shaman on the Alliance.
  • Level to 70 and gain new class abilities and more.

Bringing Burning Crusade Classic to Life
Much like WoW Classic, we faced a lot of challenges in bringing Burning Crusade 13 years forward to today. One of these challenges was translating all of the expansion data—the content, the gameplay rules, how enemies behave, and so on—into the modern code, with all of the under-the-hood technical improvements, performance enhancements, and bug fixes we’ve made over the years.

To do this, we need to convert over 750,000 rows of data from the format we used around 2007 to the format we use today. Thankfully, we have dedicated and talented engineers who can utilize scripts that help make these conversions go a bit easier—but that doesn’t mean that we can solely rely on those automated conversions. Running the old client, we look at how things actually worked in the original Burning Crusade and compare it against the conversion in Burning Crusade Classic to verify it’s all working as intended.

We also wanted to make sure that as we made these conversions, we retained any bug fixes that we had made previously so to provide a cohesive experience between WoW Classic and Burning Crusade Classic.

We spend a lot of time looking at the old reference code to make sure we get things right and bug fixes are retained. Because it’s been 13 years since the launch of Burning Crusade, we also have to take the time to make sure that what we remember matches up with how things really were. It’s easy for time to change perceptions and what we might have thought of as a bug, might actually be how it played originally in Burning Crusade. Having a reliable resource to check makes a big difference.

Our modern code also provides additional stability for the client. Servers used to be much more siloed, but now have the ability to harness the benefits of cloud infrastructure. This allows us to avoid issues like “instance not found” errors when players are trying to access things like dungeons or raids.

Sometimes bringing this data over results in unintended consequences. When doing early tests, we found things like the blood elf male missing his clothes, despite the client believing he had some on. We soon figured out that textures weren’t assigned properly, even though the geometry from his clothes was still apparent.

With the Draenei, they initially appeared that they were too tall on the character creation screen—but the real problem was that Draenei were being shown in the Dun Morogh character creation screen, which has a camera height appropriate for dwarves and gnomes.

We also ended up with water showing up in Hellfire Peninsula where no water was meant to be. Outland doesn’t have oceans like Azeroth does, but this was something we were able to address.


Some Changes Ahead
Our guiding principle in WoW Classic was to keep the game as true to the original as we could. With Burning Crusade Classic, we still want to make sure we’re providing an experience true to the Burning Crusade, maintaining the essential elements of the expansion that players expect. We also have some changes that we are making to maintain good experiences for players when they arrive in Outland.

With WoW Classic, we purposefully recreated the “spell batching” behavior from the original game. Though it was largely a relic of old technology, the idea of having this again in WoW Classic was popular with players, and seemed like something we should include in the name of authenticity. However, there is an inherent issue with spell-batching creating latency for players. We’d end up with players reporting bugs with spells and abilities like Blink or Pyroblast not working properly when it was actually a result of latency causing those abilities not to cast as expected. For Burning Crusade Classic, it’s being removed to improve that overall experience.

The raiding community is also more experienced now, and we want to provide the challenges players expect when stepping back into their favorite raids. To do this, we want to provide more challenging versions of the bosses in dungeons and raids by removing the changes that were made to them later in the expansion cycle. However, there are some changes we are likely to keep when original boss designs proved far more frustrating than challenging. As an example: M’uru initially had a lot of spell pushback, which was causing players to exclude spellcasters from their groups. We fixed this issue pretty quickly, and it’s something we’ll still include as a change when this boss becomes available in Sunwell Plateau—but the decrease to his health will likely revert to its original state. Players have asked to engage with the initial versions of bosses so they can see if the benefit of experience allows them to defeat bosses they previously struggled with, and we want to provide them with that opportunity.

PvP and Faction Balance
We want to make sure we maintain faction identity, but also realize that there’s an imbalance between the Horde and Alliance paladin Seals, as Seal of Blood for the Horde is very powerful when compared to the Seal of Vengeance for the Alliance. To address this, the Horde and Alliance will still get their faction-specific Seals at level 64, but when they reach level 70, they’ll also be able to get the opposite faction Seal as well.

Another change we’re making is to the way players can fill out their Arena rosters. With the original release of Arena in Burning Crusade, players were only allowed to have the same number of players as the bracket they were in. If they were taking part in 3v3 Arena, they could only have three players in their list. That meant if someone couldn’t play for a while, then no one on the team was able to play either. With Burning Crusade Classic, we’ve expanded this to allow for rosters to contain twice the number of players for the bracket. This will allow teams to sub in players as they need to and continue taking part in Arenas.

We’re also planning to use the modern matchmaking algorithms to more quickly match players with equally skilled opponents, while still keeping the rating requirements on purchased arena gear in later seasons.

Blood Elf and Draenei Access
With the release of the Burning Crusade Classic pre-expansion patch, players will also get access to the Blood Elf and Draenei races early before the Dark Portal opens. This will allow players to get a jump on leveling so they can join their friends in Outland.


Content Phases
To allow players to stay on top of the latest content and gear up with their friends, we’ve set up a potential plan for additional content releases for Burning Crusade Classic to occur over 5 phases. As with anything in early development, these plans are subject to change and we look forward to player feedback.

Phase 1: Karazhan, Gruul’s Lair, and Magtheridon’s Lair Raids will open
Phase 2: Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, and Arena Season 1
Phase 3: Hyjal, Black Temple, Arena Season 2
Phase 4 : Zul’Aman and Arena Season 3
Phase 5: The Sunwell and Arena Season 4

Meeting the Diverse Needs of Players
We want to make sure that we serve the needs of a variety of WoW Classic players. Whether it’s those who choose to move on into the Burning Crusade Classic content, or those who choose to remain in WoW Classic as it is, we want to provide players with a choice when the pre-expansion patch goes live for Burning Crusade Classic.

Going forward, current WoW Classic live servers will become progression servers with access to Burning Crusade Classic and its content updates. On patch day, players will be presented with a choice of where they want to play their characters. Do you want to continue into the content of Burning Crusade Classic? Or do you want to continue to experience WoW Classic?

You’ll be able to make a choice for each of your individual characters. This provides players a way to pick and choose the experiences they want to have, whether it’s with journeying into the next expansion with a max-level character that’s ready to go through the Dark Portal or creating a new draenei or blood elf to experience the new starting areas, or if it’s a mid-level character staying with the Classic Era realm to continue their progress and play with friends there.

For those who haven’t had the opportunity to play through WoW Classic or who are Burning Crusade fans looking to experience Outland right away, we’ll also be offering a way to boost to level 58. These boosts will be limited to one per account, won’t be usable on Classic Era realms, and won’t be usable on the new blood elf or draenei races. Boosted characters will be equipped with some basic dungeon blues, the level-40 mount skill, and a mount. Freshly boosted characters will not include any professions while existing characters will retain their chosen profession as it is.

If you decide to continue playing WoW Classic, you’ll be able to play on Classic Era realms, which will launch at the same time as the pre-expansion patch for Burning Crusade Classic.

We want to make sure that your choice is meaningful and know that some players may want to play a specific character on both WoW Classic and Burning Crusade Classic. We’ll be introducing an optional paid service to unlock a clone of your character in both clients so that you can continue your adventures in both eras. Read more in our World of Warcraft: Classic and Burning Crusade Classic Characters and Realms article.

Burning Crusade Classic Launching This Year
We know that the most burning question players have is when will Burning Crusade Classic launch? This year, 2021. We’ll be holding a beta test before long, where players will be able to head back to Outland and provide feedback on how it feels. We want to make sure we give plenty of time for the beta test so we can make the most of that feedback. We also want to make sure that those who are still progressing through Naxxramas or other content have time.

Final Words
The community has been instrumental in making WoW Classic a success, we look forward to players joining the Burning Crusade Classic beta and helping us make it the best it can be too. We love working on WoW Classic and want to thank you all for helping us bring Azeroth to life. Stay classic and stay tuned for more information here on the official site!

World of Warcraft: Classic and Burning Crusade Classic Characters and Realms
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With Burning Crusade Classic, players will be provided a choice of taking their characters beyond Azeroth and through the Dark Portal into Outland or staying in Azeroth—for all time. During the World of Warcraft: Burning Crusade Classic Deep Dive panel at BlizzConline, lead producer Holly Longdale, production director Patrick Dawson, and lead software engineer Brian Birmingham discussed what players could expect when the Burning Crusade Classic releases in 2021.

Where Will Your Adventures Take you?
With the release of the Burning Crusade Classic pre-expansion patch, players will be presented with a choice for each of their existing WoW Classic characters: to progress to the Burning Crusade era along with the rest of the Horde and Alliance heroes on their realm, or to continue adventuring in the original WoW Classic content on all-new “Classic Era” servers.

Once the pre-expansion patch has gone live, players will see a choice of WoW Classic or Burning Crusade Classic within the Battle.net desktop app. WoW Classic will direct you to the new Classic Era realms which will have the latest phase of WoW Classic content in it and will not progress into any WoW expansion content. Burning Crusade Classic realms will contain all the new Burning Crusade game systems including the blood elf and draenei races which will become available with the pre-expansion patch release.

You’ll need to make a choice of which game type you’d like to play each of your available characters on. The first time a player tries to log in with a character in either client, they will be asked to confirm that they want to activate the character in that game. Once players choose where they want to play, the clone of that character on the other client will be unavailable for play unless the player chooses to “clone” their character with an optional paid service.

Players who want to experience the best of both worlds will have the option to unlock both “clones” of each WoW Classic character as an optional paid service, allowing each hero to venture forth into Burning Crusade Classic while their Classic Era character continues their original adventure. Clones are created from a snapshot just prior to the Burning Crusade Classic pre-expansion patch and will not include any additional progress from that point on. This means that if you continue to play your WoW Classic character for some months after and unlock the clone at a later date, it will not include any additional progress past the point of the original capture of your character.

What Happens with Realms?
Here’s how it works…. Existing realms will patch with the new Burning Crusade Classic content. If you choose to experience all of the new content, everything for your character remains the same including your realm, guild, and more — but you’ll have access to the Burning Crusade Classic and all the updates that come with it.

If you choose to have a character remain in WoW Classic, it will be available to play on a new Classic Era realm. These new realms are available as a new game client in the Battle.net desktop app. Friends from your original realm who also choose to play on the Classic Era realm will join you on the same realm. Your friends list will continue to be available no matter where you end up.

Realm names will remain the same for both Burning Crusade Classic and Classic Era realms and player characters will exist as they are before the pre-expansion patch on both era types.

Breaking it all Down
To simplify the process, here’s a quick rundown of everything you need to know:

  • On patch day, you’ll be able to open the Battle.net desktop app and choose which game you want to play—Burning Crusade Classic or WoW Classic.
  • Your existing characters will show on both game types under your old realm name/s.
  • Once you’ve chosen a game to play, you’ll select a character to play and confirm your choice.
  • If you decide you’d like to play your character in both game types, you’ll be able to use an optional paid service to gain access to the cloned character in both game types.
  • Then all you need to do is log in as you normally would and play.

More to Come…
Further details on each realm type and the available options for characters will be provided at a later date as we move closer to the Burning Crusade Classic launch. Stay tuned here, on the official World of Warcraft site to learn more.
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Comments 98 Comments
  1. Super Kami Dende's Avatar
    Paladins having both Seals is the best thing they announced.

    Glad they added boosts as well so I can skip the 1-58 trash of Vanilla.
  1. Haidaes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Williamgood View Post
    "There will be a paid option to make a copy of your character so you can keep it in Classic and move on to Burning Crusade." that's a bit scummy. Everything else sounds cool though
    That sounds extremely scummy, as it costs them literally nothing to copy some data besides a few fractions of a cent for power.

    Also boy, did they piss me off with switching schedules yesterday evening (0:00 AM here) and then showing me 3 clueless tits drowning in nostalgia for the most part instead of the (also quite bad) Shadowlands panel which I stayed up for.
  1. krouger's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    They are only spending 25 minutes on 9.1. This is the worst blizzcon ever....
    looks like someone didnt saw blizzcon with diablo immortal announcement :P
  1. Fkiolaris's Avatar
    This panel was a complete letdown for me since the 3 things I wanted to hear were not mentioned or specified. I mean it was a given that they would announce TBC, but a) they don't have a date for it (meaning it's not near), b) no word if they would bring dual-spec forward from WotLK and c) they didn't say which patch they would incorporate as the one running throughout TBC in terms of spell and balance changes.
  1. krouger's Avatar
    im glad they added boost, im gonna reroll to hunter from warrior and i dont want to level through classic wow again did that on 4 classes already. Increased boss difficulty sounds promising aswell
  1. Kallor's Avatar
    Which patch will they be using for the class balance? I'm guessing the Sunwell patch?
  1. chiddie's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Morpork View Post
    The guys that don't want the paid boost pay to win option are whiney children but the people that want it are cool? Sure, yeah that's the ticket.
    Jesus, what do you “win” actually? A 3 months of else wasted spare time doing useless 1-58 content before playing the content you’re interested into?
  1. ranzino's Avatar
    level now and reach 58-60 somehow or you will have to be busy in prepatch OR fork out hefty sums for boosts.
    and you better make up your mind about classic or TBC; having both will cost you on top.
  1. Tarx's Avatar
    At least they put classic era servers for play classic till Blizzard bankrupt and close the servers
  1. Xires's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zka View Post
    Finally started telling some info. I'm a bit puzzled why ZA releases after BT.
    because that's how it was originally as well. ZA wasn't supposed to be "better gear content". It had T5 level loot, was a new challenge for players (amani warbear mount), and was really good. It also helped other people "catch up" a bit with gear you might need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seikusa View Post
    WTF Character Boost Oo, guess not gonna level now....
    to level 58. When TBC releases...the cap is 70 and you can head into outlands at lvl58. So you still gotta level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exsanguinate View Post
    Phases
    Phase 1 - Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, and Magtheridon's Lair
    Phase 2 - Hyjal, Black Temple, Zul'Aman
    Phase 3 - Sunwell

    Where Shrine and Eye?
    How did you get that? This is the release time line in the blue post.

    Phase 1: Karazhan, Gruul’s Lair, and Magtheridon’s Lair Raids will open
    Phase 2: Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, and Arena Season 1
    Phase 3: Hyjal, Black Temple, Arena Season 2
    Phase 4 : Zul’Aman and Arena Season 3
    Phase 5: The Sunwell and Arena Season 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    That is sickening. Paid boost to skip most of the game...that's really a new low.
    Most of the game? It's when TBC drops...and the part you're talking about is already done in classic...1-60. The reason they have a single char boost to 58 is when TBC releases you can hop right into the outlands at lvl58 and START the new content with the rest of your friends and the server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zka View Post
    Yeah but the ZA ilvl was T5, so it makes not much sense to keep it that way.
    It wasn't released as a new higher tier. It was released as a T5 to help others prep to raid in the T6 raids. It also came with a great challenge. (amani warbear)
    And when Sunwell comes out we'll get more catchup gear on the island of Qel-thalas (however it's spelled). No...they need to release it as they did before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chingylol View Post
    If it's just Kara, Gruul, and Mag for phase 1 thats pretty fail. Gruuls Lair can be done in 30 minutes and Mag like 20-25 minutes.. Wow an hour of 25man raiding a week!
    How fast do you think people were clearing Molten Core? Which is all you had. Man...people will bitch and moan about anything, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    TBC classic dead on arrival with paid boosts. TBC didn't have boosts. Either level up an alt or nothing. /spit
    Jesus, dude. Get a life. It's a single lvl 58 boost. Grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentk59 View Post
    Good lord I just signed in for the first time in like 7 fucking years to say this, ya'll are the most negative, disgusting community I have ever heard! WoW is dead because of you nasty mother fuckers, not the brain dead devs. I came back hoping to see some excited people, ready to play the game when it was at its absolute best! Instead I hear all you whiny losers complaining about every fucking thing you possibly could! Now I know why I left in the first place....

    I really hope this goes over well, I havnt played since 2015 and I really want that feeling I used to have when I first started. I started right when BC was ending and they were announcing Wrath so I never really got to experience it, Iam really excited for it all!
    Don't let these forums dissuade you. People ARE excited. It's just that MMO-C has mostly angry people with no clue how to play and believe that their feelings represent the community as a whole...and the success of classic proved the same nay-sayers wrong.
    Some ugly people on here with nothing better to do then gripe and bitch and moan.

    I consider us lucky to get to play TBC again. Because I legit thought it would NEVER happen and it is happening this year. I'm excited.
    I was happy about classic...but TBC is the bread and butter for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpork View Post
    Yup. Just cancelled my accounts because of this. About the most anti-classic thing I can think of. More power to people that like this option but it's not for me.
    The fuck? It's a paid boost to skip the classic content already cleared this last 18 months. It's so if you want a new class to head into TBC with...you can go right away and not have to level up for the next month or two..in classic while everyone else is in outlands going from 60-70 in the new content. So what content are you going to miss fro ma lvl58 character boost? The content that has already been done? Who cares? Oh, right....old men who are really grown children. Get outta here...nobody needs your negative boomer energy anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Nothing to make me resub. Time to delete from my computer for good
    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpork View Post
    The guys that don't want the paid boost pay to win option are whiney children but the people that want it are cool? Sure, yeah that's the ticket.
    How is a single paid boost to lvl58 so you can play the new content from TBC "pay to win". You don't "win" anything. You get to actually START TBC rather then leveling in CLASSIC so that you can START in TBC. Man...I'm glad you aren't playing. The less whiny people in TBC...the better for the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    shadowlands broke sale records,you dont need shadowlands to play classic,the classic servers have been dying for months now,try harder next time

    also tbc will 100% do much MUCH worse than vanila classic if the private server scene is anything to go by

    that said i will be playing way more tbc than i did classic so...
    The private server scene is NOTHING to go by. People didn't want to play on private servers because they knew eventually their characters would get deleted and nobody wants to waste time on that.
    I never touched a private server and never will. But a blizzard server...i'll be there. And as we all saw with classic...so will MANY others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamgood View Post
    "There will be a paid option to make a copy of your character so you can keep it in Classic and move on to Burning Crusade." that's a bit scummy. Everything else sounds cool though
    Scummy? A single character boost to lvl 58 so you can start TBC? Nothing scummy about it at all. Nobody wants to spend months leveling so that they can start outlands. The only scummy thing I see so far is the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fkiolaris View Post
    This panel was a complete letdown for me since the 3 things I wanted to hear were not mentioned or specified. I mean it was a given that they would announce TBC, but a) they don't have a date for it (meaning it's not near), b) no word if they would bring dual-spec forward from WotLK and c) they didn't say which patch they would incorporate as the one running throughout TBC in terms of spell and balance changes.
    BETA starts soon...it is closer then you think. Likely a summer release. Jesus.....now I remember why I don't come here often anymore. So MANY negative boomers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    level now and reach 58-60 somehow or you will have to be busy in prepatch OR fork out hefty sums for boosts.
    and you better make up your mind about classic or TBC; having both will cost you on top.
    Somehow? Play classic and you'll reach lvl60.hefty sums for boost(s)? You get a single boost. So you can either level ANOTHER character in classic or boost one you want to start off on a "new" xpac.
    I gotta say...the people who said "no changes" for classic...were wrong. And making it to where if someone wants to play TBC and doesn't have to spend a couple of months in classic to get started is a good business idea. Remember, boomer...it's an old xpac that has been cleared, datamined, and strats already in place.
  1. Raldazzar's Avatar
    So, All I want to know, but can't find anywhere yet..

    Are they introducing faction changes or allowing account moving as they did in BC?

    I would ASSUME so, since the addition of paid character services is an open goal for them and they already plan it with the choosing of realms/snapshotting etc..
  1. J012D4N's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xires View Post
    Phase 1: Karazhan, Gruul’s Lair, and Magtheridon’s Lair Raids will open
    Phase 2: Serpentshrine Cavern, Tempest Keep, and Arena Season 1
    Phase 3: Hyjal, Black Temple, Arena Season 2
    Phase 4 : Zul’Aman and Arena Season 3
    Phase 5: The Sunwell and Arena Season 4

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    Why the F would they toss S2 with BT/MH?
    To be competitive, you'll 100% need to raid for a few items, particularly weapons.
    Makes most of the Arena weapons totally obsolete for the 1st 2 seasons. As an example, if you're running a Hunter alt for Arena, you 100% have to raid now. B3 being WAY better than S2 Merc-Glad xbow. It's not even a conversation. Same deal for any melee. You'll have to raid off the rip, as stuff like Stunherald just absolutely dwarfs S1 2Hs.

    Just wish they'd make PVP/PVE content scale in tandem.... Oh well, at least they're doing phases.
  1. fathom81's Avatar
    Im waiting for Classic BfA
  1. Logwyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthyjake View Post
    You won't be able to boost a draenei
    Yeah...wrote this after I read that part. Oh well still might!
  1. mitre27's Avatar
    "We want to make sure we maintain faction identity, but also realize that there’s an imbalance between the Horde and Alliance paladin Seals, as Seal of Blood for the Horde is very powerful when compared to the Seal of Vengeance for the Alliance. To address this, the Horde and Alliance will still get their faction-specific Seals at level 64, but when they reach level 70, they’ll also be able to get the opposite faction Seal as well."


    Was this a thing in TBC? Or are they making a pretty big change in the name of balance? I remember them gimping health bar distance and introducing fake lag in the name of authenticity and yet they're doing a huge change like this?
  1. Grimalkin of Old's Avatar
    This truly was a con.
  1. Echorausch's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mitre27 View Post
    "We want to make sure we maintain faction identity, but also realize that there’s an imbalance between the Horde and Alliance paladin Seals, as Seal of Blood for the Horde is very powerful when compared to the Seal of Vengeance for the Alliance. To address this, the Horde and Alliance will still get their faction-specific Seals at level 64, but when they reach level 70, they’ll also be able to get the opposite faction Seal as well."

    Was this a thing in TBC? Or are they making a pretty big change in the name of balance? I remember them gimping health bar distance and introducing fake lag in the name of authenticity and yet they're doing a huge change like this?
    Well, Seal of Blood was way better (iirc 20%?) than the Alliance counterpart... It wasn't that of a big deal back then, but nowadays, where everyone is min-maxing (or at least does on paper.. haha) it would be a huge difference.
  1. mitre27's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Echorausch View Post
    Well, Seal of Blood was way better (iirc 20%?) than the Alliance counterpart... It wasn't that of a big deal back then, but nowadays, where everyone is min-maxing (or at least does on paper.. haha) it would be a huge difference.
    I think that's fine, rets suck in pvp and pve anyway and it doesn't matter if the rets on horde are better than alliance, you won't see guilds going horde because of it.

    Just frustrates me that they stuck with the no changes bullshit, limiting distance nameplates show, putting in fake lagg that worked different to how it did in vanilla, and now they're throwing that away for something as stupid as seal balance.

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