World of Warcraft News and Raiding Strategies

In Patch 6.2, Warlords of Draenor’s PvP zone Ashran is getting some new quests and an eerie new area to explore. Here’s a rundown of what you’ll encounter on the glorious battlefield between Warspear and Stormshield.

New Quests for Dominance
Faction bosses and events will no longer reward Conquest points after Patch 6.2, but will continue to reward Honor points and strongboxes. To fill your pockets with lots of Conquest points going forward, you’ll want to pick up and complete these new quests:

• Slay Them All! – A weekly quest to rack up 200 honor kills for a reward of 200 Conquest points.
• Ashran Dominance – Rewards 500 Conquest points when you kill the enemy faction boss and win five events—also weekly.
• Continue the Domination – A repeatable quest that unlocks after Ashran Dominance is completed. Rewards 500 Conquest points when you kill the enemy faction boss and win five events.

Meanwhile, Belloc Brightblade and Harrison Jones have followed the siren-like call of a new artifact being unearthed in Ashran. They each offer a quest leading you to fight your way into a new section of the zone...


An Eerie New Area
The Ashran Excavation has been revealed, and its unearthly inhabitants are none too pleased about the presence of you and other visitors.
Once you enter the Ashran Excavation, you’ll find yourself inside a very large underground area. Similar to other parts of Ashran, a competitive event is randomly triggered in the area. When the event begins, your goal is to collect Apexis Marks of Redemption by taking down the Arakkoa ghosts that haunt the depths.


Somewhere in this underground labyrinth, you’ll find a ghost named Rukmaz—one of the few entities here who doesn’t want to kill you on sight. He’s a collector of Marks of Redemption, and he’s waiting to award victory over the Ashran Excavation to whichever faction turns in 50 Marks first.

Thanks for the candid and constructive post. We read tons of feedback, and these kinds of posts, where the community is working together to provide constructive points, are exactly the kinds we like to read and discuss internally. So much so that we thought it was worth offering a reply based on some of the thoughts and discussions we’ve had since reading it.

First, let’s talk about talents. In general, most of these concerns are ones which we can work to improve through number tweaks. As a caveat, I’d remind that it’s not fair to look at talents purely from a raiding and min/maxing point of view (for example, Surge of Darkness is about as dominant in PvP as Insanity is in Raiding). But, that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t try to improve things in the raiding context.

• Level 45 talents are a more skewed than we’d like, but all of the talents do see some play. Surge of Darkness vs Insanity is largely a question of whether you want more mobility. Highly skilled players in top raid guilds tend to min/max their movement better, and so typically find the raw DPS of Insanity more valuable. We’re hoping that Mindbender sees a bit more play, in part due to the Legendary Ring, and in cases where cooldowns are valuable. Overall, a row that could certainly be more balanced, which we plan to place greater emphasis on in the future.
• Level 60 talents are similar; Twist of Fate is dominant amongst top raiders, but isn’t completely exclusive. Power Infusion and Shadowy Insight both do see some play. Power Infusion may go up a bit for the same reasons as Mindbender. Additionally, Twist of Fate requires some gaming of its proc to get the maximum theoretical value out of, leading to the row being more balanced in general for the average player. That said, Twist of Fate is likely the ideal one to be dominant, since it’s a good talent for both experienced and inexperienced players.
• Clarity of Power has ended up being somewhat ironically named, because it’s actually rather unclear how it’s supposed to work. In fact, when we designed it, the DoT-weaving style that has emerged was never intended. It’s a good example of how players can use tools we give you in unexpected ways, and eek more performance than we expect out of something. Late in beta, it became clear that it wasn’t just a crazy idea, and was actually a significant performance boost to do. We opted to just let it go at that time, and see what happened with it. Unfortunately, it ended up overly dominant, without a clear/elegant solution to change it. In 6.1, we opted to just buff the other two talents on the row up to be competitive with the unintentionally overpowered Clarity of Power. That leaves CoP in the unfortunate situation of being the best, if you know the unintuitive trick to it, which is a poor situation for players who are new or not ‘in-the-know’. Void Entropy is also probably a little undertuned still; it’s just quite niche right now.

Next, the Shadow class trinket. It is, indeed, very punishing to use if there is a target swap. The intention is that it’s a tradeoff to use, but that in a good situation, it’s very strong, and I think the numbers reflect that (perhaps too much, based on PTR testing, but we’re still evaluating that). In general, the class trinkets are more situational effects. Being on trinkets, they’re more optional and swappable, than something like a set bonus is (which has few alternatives). There are exceptions on both sides of that, of course, but it’s a general case. Finally, there is one improvement coming that will help; it’ll reach max stacks twice as fast in the next PTR build.

Many other classes have the option to swap specs for any given fight, to switch to a spec more suited to that fight. Having only a single spec, Priests have no such option. Instead, we tried to position Mastery as an option that they could tailor their gear toward or away from based on the fight. I think it’s fair to say that that hasn’t worked out as well as we’d hoped, but hasn’t been a failure. I think one of the extenuating circumstances here is that raid fights this expansion have had more multi-target focus than single-target, leading Mastery to be quite niche indeed.

In terms of AoE, Shadow is intended to fill the role of a multi-DoTter. Different classes are different, and we don’t want to make them more homogenous by giving them strong burst AoE options like certain specs of Mages or Warlocks. That said, Shadow should excel at the situations they’re suited to, more. If the fight calls for sustained damage on 3 spread out targets, that’s a case that Shadow should be favored on, and I’m not sure if they do enough right now, to make up for the more common case of clumped/burst/many-target AoE. It’s something we’re looking at improving in the future.

Each raid tier, every spec gets new set bonuses. Sometimes their effects are more passive, sometimes more active. We try to make things exciting and feel rewarding. With any case like this, where there are so many bonuses, and they have to try to fulfill so many goals simultaneously, there’s bound to be some varying degree of success at that. And that’s generally OK; it adds texture to the game when how much you interact with your set bonuses varies between tiers. Your criticisms are totally valid, and we’ll take the feedback into account when designing future set bonuses, for sure.

Finally, I’d like to talk a bit more about Shadow in general; the big picture, not so much about these specific concerns. We’ve been retrospective lately about where Shadow has come, and how much it truly fulfills its intended fantasy, gameplay style, role, etc. Shadow Priests should be the masters of the shadows cast by the light from the Holy Priests. In terms of lore and fantasy, they should focus on the powers of the Void. However, they’re still Priests; they know that what they’re dabbling with is dangerous, and have to try to go as far as they can without going *too* far. Pain, Insanity, Darkness… These are the tools they use on their enemies, and even a bit on themselves. For the future, we’re looking at ways that we can adjust their gameplay to feel more viscerally “Shadow Priest”. We think some things have worked well (like their DoTs), and other things have worked not so well (like Shadow Orbs). It’s too early to announce anything specific at this point, but we can tell you that there are very significant changes coming to Shadow in a future patch, that we hope will better capture the fantasy, while providing unique gameplay. We're reading all of your feedback, and taking it into account when making these changes.

Again, thanks for the constructive feedback, and we look forward to more in the future.

This Saturday, I’ll be joining World of Warcraft Lead Game Designer Ion Hazzikostas to answer your questions live on Twitch.TV! With Patch 6.2 rapidly approaching, we wanted to take the opportunity to not only answer any questions the community has regarding the new content and features in the patch, but also take a look back at the challenges we’ve faced (and the lessons we’ve learned) when developing the Warlords of Draenor expansion and Patch 6.1.

When: Saturday, June 6, 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM Pacific time (see this handy tool to find when that is in your local time!)
Where: The World of Warcraft channel on Twitch.TV/WoW

There are two ways to submit questions. If you’re using Twitter, simply tweet your question using the hashtag #WarlordsQA. You can also ask it as a reply to this forum thread; however, as we’d like to get to as many questions as possible, we will only consider questions using 40 words or less. Make them count! In order to be considered, your question must be submitted before 12:01 AM Pacific time on Saturday, June 6.

See you there!

This is true. But *after* a set is changed to be used by players, making all the pieces fit isn't as unrealistic.
Sometimes when a design change is made it isn't feasible to get artists/animators back on it. They've moved on. (CM_Zarhym)

Your tweet to which I replied oozed condescension, and it wasn't the first time
I apologize. Was at home in bed at 3 am & shouldn't have responded then. (CM_Zarhym)
Wasn't smart. Not really supposed to respond off the clock. Was frazzled. (CM_Zarhym)
See, players aren't the only ones losing sleep over this.
But equating the Selfie cam to Farahlon for dev time = apples to galaxies. (CM_Zarhym)
My point wasnt the selfie cam vs farahlon. It was that you guys have a trend of miss allocating resources.
My point: players don't know production workflow/pipelines enough to claim definitively how resources are misallocated (CM_Zarhym)
And in NO CONTEXT did we release the selfie cam or Twitter integration claiming a solid substitute for world content. (CM_Zarhym)

It just blows my ( and many others ) minds, that you double the dev team, and yet theres such a huge content drought.
Many players feel this way and I'm sure Ion will address it better than I can in the Q&A this Saturday. (CM_Zarhym)
My intention wasn't to "gripe". But to point out from a players perspective it appears that content gets cut, and nothing is put in its place. So while we sit in our garrisons until raid time, there is very little to do. Thanks for the mature response
And that's a fair criticism. Like I said, I'm sure Ion will speak to that on Saturday. (CM_Zarhym)

Flying
Not posting on your site, and only having one response to a player made thread about it was a bad move
Yeah, it's obviously caused a lot of friction that we hadn't anticipated. Clearly a mistake on our part. (CM_Lore)

Q&A
By "legitimate" you mean the ones you are willing to field, probably not the onese most find important.
We will definitely be talking about flight in the Q&A. (CM_Zarhym)

Will you please confirm that flight IS something that will be addressed in this Q and A? Thanks.
We will definitely be talking about flight in the Q&A. (CM_Lore)

Classes
Are there any considerations to lower passive Parry and Dodge again in 6.2?
Certainly if needed. Will look into it. (holinka)

Art
Indeed Zarhym. Wouldn't want those poor underpaid artist to actually do a good job I guess? Really miss the old Blizzard Quality.
It's not at all realistic to design ALL armor to fit ALL char models just in case. But look for any reason to take issue w/ us. (CM_Zarhym)

Misc
Apparently selfie cams were an appropriate use of dev time. Not farahlon though.
So you admit you only count additions to the game YOU care about. This is helpful. (CM_Zarhym)

Art
If all feedback is considered does that mean my spam of troll male tweets & threads like this is read? http://t.co/0NdansqPkD
Yep, everything is read even if it's not possible to respond to it all. (WatcherDev)

PvE
What about legendary weapons in timewalking dungeons? May i use Shadowmourne in a LK timewalking dungeon?
Yes, you can. (WarcraftDevs)

Are tier tokens going to drop from bosses the way they been for past few tiers, or vanila class based tiers?
Yes. Tokens are an uninteresting dungeon journal entry and do not drop in Personal loot, so we show the set items. (WarcraftDevs)

How good is the chance of seeing our attuned stats guaranteed on tier gear similar to how primary stats change based on spec?
No plans for that at this time. (WarcraftDevs)

if we use a Seal on the final dungeon boss would that give us an extra chance at 700 ilvl drop?
You have this chance on any boss and any bonus roll in Mythic dungeons. (WarcraftDevs)

Any plans on making BRF/HM bosses do less damage and have less health, in patch 6.2, like we had in Mists of Pandaria Raids?
Yes, there will be a zone-wide debuff on Foundry/Highmaul enemies, like we did to Throne of Thunder in 5.4. (WarcraftDevs)

Are Highmaul+BRF Mythic going Cross-Realm with 6.2 as well?
Yes. (WarcraftDevs)

PvP
Not sure if you've noticed it, but CRZ turned Halaa into a 24/7 faction-based Gurubashi. Captures the spontaneity of world PvP.
Yep, noticed it the moment I got the Halaa currency garrison mission and went out there to (try to) finally buy my mount.... (WatcherDev)

Are there going to be WoD s2 equivalents to Ashran gear?
The items that are comparable to ones that previously required Ashran rep are earned in a different way in season 17. (WarcraftDevs)

PvE
Personal Loot; The sad part is the amount of duplicate loots you get with it, if you could do something to that it would be better
That's kinda just loot in general though, it's been that way since forever, in most RPGs. (Muffinus)

Will the 6.2 Personal Loot changes apply to LFR and world bosses or just premade groups?
Yes to Raid Finder, but no plans for world bosses at this time. (WarcraftDevs)

are mythic dungeons going to be cross-realm?
Yes. (WarcraftDevs)

Garrisons
My eternally broken pet menagerie. 6.2 adding some awesome new pet battle content and my enthusiasm is rock bottom thanks to it.
.We've been looking into a few of these issues in 6.2, if you can't get your menagerie working, please let me know! (Muffinus)

.Garrison missions for oil on the PTR seem really scarce... intended? Haven't seen one for 3 days
Intended. Missions will not be your main source of Oil, just a rare bonus opportunity. (WarcraftDevs)

Misc
MMO Designer: What exactly do you want? Every player: TO ANNOY OTHER PEOPLE LOL (Muffinus)

I'm just a dude, with a twitter, but I would very much like to hear what you think isn't being heard. I hear "not listening" a lot. (Muffinus)
Often report bugs I find in models. Reports I make dating 2 years ago seem to go unnoticed or low priority. http://t.co/NpiOQKqg7r
The WoW DB has nearly 450,000 bugs total in its lifetime. Would like to fix every one timely, sometimes not possible, but recorded! (Muffinus)
Example: only recently did a bug get fixed where you are removed from your warrior stance when entering C'thun's stomach (Muffinus)

At a certain point, you can't make a game and not care what the audience thinks. Every post or comment is taken to heart. (Muffinus)
Can you name anyone else at Blizzard that cares about what we think? Since you brought it up.
Everyone. The WC books on the shelf behind me are so worn because so many new designers have read them all. (Muffinus)

the sad part is that there will always be those that, no matter how much you listen, will say you're not listening
Such is the nature of social media The ability to yell at someone anytime, anywhere, about the lack of an Annoy-O-Tron pet. (Muffinus)
I think you're all listening, you just have a design philosophy that I disagree with (but I understand it, I think)
I don't know if you disagree with me, or the design team, but go ahead and tell me more! (Muffinus)

your problem is that you asked what they want. just make the awesome game and ignore every1 else
Often, making "awesome" in a vacuum results in the realization that it's not so great for someone else (Muffinus)

People are heard, they are just not told "we heard you but... yay or nay" back. So they don't know.
It's difficult to respond with a community of this size, even with a community team. A challenge! (Muffinus)

mobile content. I feel like there's just a TON of missed opportunities to have mobile games that tie into the mmo gameplay.
Hearthstone did awesome. I think there is still significant meaning in being a Blizzard product. Thus, need to be careful. (Muffinus)