The Cat Guide - 4.3

[xrayEU]

Rank 50 feral or rank 50 overall

Haha, Ops! Rank 50 Feral of course :P Or i was rank 50 feral, dropped to 67 now, good to see that ferals are getting higher ranks!

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http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/play...axion/10N/dps/

Dps starts at around 44-45k, highest ferals are 34-35k.. i wouldnt call that doing high ;s

The only specs we are beating are BM hunters, frost mages and sub rogues.

[xrayEU]

Yeah if you put it like that the dps is pretty horrible, but i was expecting ferals to suffer more than we do. But then again, we are still worst of all the legit pve specs on this encounter.

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On the other hand, popping the frenzied regen raidwall during the last minute can save the raid, so it's all good i guess :P

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Dps starts at around 44-45k, highest ferals are 34-35k.. i wouldnt call that doing high ;s

Yeah, hardly weighs in at that "within 5%" Blizzard talked about in one of the Dev Water Cooler posts prior to 4.3.

On the other hand, popping the frenzied regen raidwall during the last minute can save the raid, so it's all good i guess :P

Utility! We're all about utility! Dps is a secondary concern, right?

[Moople]

Ok, say if/when we get 4T13 and we are engineers and don't want to use glyph of tiger's fury, due to it lining up perfectly with the Synapse Springs, should we stick with glyph of bloodletting? or go with something like Glyph of Savage Roar? or even Glyph of Ferocious Bite?

[MasterNewbie]

Ok, say if/when we get 4T13 and we are engineers and don't want to use glyph of tiger's fury, due to it lining up perfectly with the Synapse Springs, should we stick with glyph of bloodletting? or go with something like Glyph of Savage Roar? or even Glyph of Ferocious Bite?

You would stick with what you have before: Rip, Bloodletting and Berserk.

[Arctagon]

Ok, say if/when we get 4T13 and we are engineers and don't want to use glyph of tiger's fury, due to it lining up perfectly with the Synapse Springs, should we stick with glyph of bloodletting? or go with something like Glyph of Savage Roar? or even Glyph of Ferocious Bite?

Glyph of Ferocious Bite isn't a prime glyph.

I actually forgot to compare competitive trinkets in that gear list and thus not switching out the placeholder ones, which was those with the highest item level. Thank you for pointing it out and for the compliment. I will look into it.

Turns out RMF and AoT actually are the best ones.

AoT + RMF: 32012.91318 +/- 4.70515
AoT + UH: 31802.70867 +/- 4.66854
AoT + FD: 31802.47241 +/- 4.62355
UH + RMF: 31731.02168 +/- 4.70318
FD + RMF: 31720.24933 +/- 4.62718

[Moople]

Thanks guys

@Arctago, yea I just had a dumb moment.

[Deleted]

I'm really confused as to whether or not 2 pc t13 from Raid Finder is better than 2 pc t12 (either heroic or 378). I just got my 2nd piece from the raid finder, which results in me losing my 2 pc t12. Is it worth going from 2 pc t12 to 2 pc t13, only being able to use one?

According to simulators, 2 pc t12 seems to sim higher than 2 pc t13. I must be doing something wrong, considering I've read earlier in this thread that 2 pc t13 beats 2 pc t12.

[nxzt]

So Rawr is currently telling me that Fluid Death and Tia's Grace are 2 of the 3 best trinkets, behind Wrath of course. Could someone clarify the reasoning behind this? I have a hard time believing it is a dps increase, but Rawr showed me an increase of 4k dps when I switched out my Matrix and Arrow of Time for these two trinkets.

Coding error or is there some truth behind this?

[Zheryn]

Assuming a 50sec icd, 15% proc chance, it look's like it can be averaged to a ~72% agi bonus on the weapon. So +327 agi on the RF version, +370 on the normal version and +417 on the heroic version.

Using the stat weights from the guide, I get to the following values:

10578 H Kiril, Fury of Beasts
9515 H Spire of Coagulated Globules
9370 N Kiril, Fury of Beasts
8444 N Spire of Coagulated Globules
8297 RF Kiril, Fury of Beasts
7904 H Fandral's Flamescythe
7495 RF Spire of Coagulated Globules

So it's very good, but not to the extent of surpassing higher ilvl weapons.

Is this up to date?

Some new info about Vial of Shadows became available, and Mew was updated accordingly.
- 25sec icd
- 15% proc chance
- procs can be parried, dodged, missed and can crit
- procs scale with attackpower in a 1:1 ratio

Reran all the trinkets with my new ilvl 410 bis profile:

4633 H:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77999/v Hragon Soul first 6 bosses
4595 H:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77994/w Heroic: Spine of Deathwing
4252 N:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77207/v Dragon Soul first 6 bosses
4080 N:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77197/w Spine of Deathwing
3925 RF:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77979/v RFragon Soul first 6 bosses
3610 RF:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77974/w Raid Finder: Spine of Deathwing
3608 H:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77993/s Heroic: Warmaster Blackhorn
3203 http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77113/k Valor
3202 H:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69150/m Heroic: Ragnaros
3188 N:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77202/s Warmaster Blackhorn
2827 N:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/68994/m Ragnaros
2827 RF:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/77973/s Raid Finder: Warmaster Blackhorn
2720 H:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69112/t Heroic: Majordomo Staghelm
2626 R:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/69001/a Avengers of Hyjal: Revered
2345 D:http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/72897/a End Time - Murozond

Glyph setup used is rip/berserk/tiger's fury, except for the on use trinkets (kiroptyric sigil/ancient petrified seed) which use bloodletting instead of tiger's fury.

Could this be added in to the guide instead of the FL trinkets please Mihir? Also, my guess is that Kiroptyric Sigil has a sligthy higher value in reality due to it lining up perfectly with every second Berserk meaning we use nearly every global during its uptime?

[Elunedra]

So Rawr is currently telling me that Fluid Death and Tia's Grace are 2 of the 3 best trinkets, behind Wrath of course. Could someone clarify the reasoning behind this? I have a hard time believing it is a dps increase, but Rawr showed me an increase of 4k dps when I switched out my Matrix and Arrow of Time for these two trinkets.

Coding error or is there some truth behind this?

are the 4.3 trinkets in rawr yet?
becase it seems that for example the agi stacking trinket will always win from fluid druid. and some of the other DS trinkets are also better then those rawr suggest you.

[Deleted]

I'm really confused as to whether or not 2 pc t13 from Raid Finder is better than 2 pc t12 (either heroic or 378). I just got my 2nd piece from the raid finder, which results in me losing my 2 pc t12. Is it worth going from 2 pc t12 to 2 pc t13, only being able to use one?

According to simulators, 2 pc t12 seems to sim higher than 2 pc t13. I must be doing something wrong, considering I've read earlier in this thread that 2 pc t13 beats 2 pc t12.

They should be about equal. So it's mostly down to the stats on the items. 4T13 >> 2T12 >>> 2T13 = 4T12

[Deleted]

are the 4.3 trinkets in rawr yet?
becase it seems that for example the agi stacking trinket will always win from fluid druid. and some of the other DS trinkets are also better then those rawr suggest you.

Afaik the Vial doesn't take into account your attack power yet, so you manually have to adjust the damage of the proc.

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Is this up to date?



Could this be added in to the guide instead of the FL trinkets please Mihir? Also, my guess is that Kiroptyric Sigil has a sligthy higher value in reality due to it lining up perfectly with every second Berserk meaning we use nearly every global during its uptime?

The simulation is taking into account lining up with TF/Berserk. So no need to artificially inflate its value.

[Deleted]

I got Kiril yesterday . Now i dont know if it worth it to let rip dropping of and wait 2 seconds to get the full kiril buff for setting a stronger rip dot.
As far as i know Kiril proccs about every 55 seconds .Is it usefull to use GoTF or does GoBL more sense?. Sry for my bad language

[Infs]

I got Kiril yesterday . Now i dont know if it worth it to let rip dropping of and wait 2 seconds to get the full kiril buff for setting a stronger rip dot.
As far as i know Kiril proccs about every 55 seconds .Is it usefull to use GoTF or does GoBL more sense?. Sry for my bad language

Afaik letting rip fall off is pretty much always a bad idea.

[Djuntas]

If your going to get the proc, dont clip dots then if you have time.

Else burn all your energy as proc ends. The staff proc really dosent change game-play much. I wouldent let bleeds drop ever imo.

[Deleted]

Quick maths to support that: 1 point of agi gives me ~4.8 dps at my gear level. ~20% of my dps is Rip, so 0.95 rip-dps per point of agi. With a Rip duration of 16 seconds, this is 15 damage per point of agi. Rip does about 8.2k dps. So for every second I don't have rip up, I gain 100 agi = 1500 rip damage, but lose 8k damage from rip not ticking. So totally not worth it.

[Djuntas]

Love that Mihir Golden!