GW2 Thief Discussion

[solidsheep]

Now can i get Malice — Improves the damage done by conditions like burning, poison, confusion, and bleeding. as a stat on a item? or is that just for traits

[Glytch]

Might be kinda of a dumb question but does Power also increase dmg of dots or is that only for the base attack dmg. Also what stats do we get from gear is it just the the 4 main stats Power,Precision,Toughness and Vitality.

if by "dots" you mean conditions then no it does not

[Loaf Lord]

I really wish they showed the traits of that thief from the video I linked. He had insane damage, but the fortitude of tissue paper. Also couldn't tell what level they were.

[Sy]

Now can i get Malice — Improves the damage done by conditions like burning, poison, confusion, and bleeding. as a stat on a item? or is that just for traits

as far as i know, yes, you can get that stat from items.

keep in mind though, that gear will have much less of an impact on your stats than in most other mmos. your traits will always make quite a difference.

[solidsheep]

as far as i know, yes, you can get that stat from items.

keep in mind though, that gear will have much less of an impact on your stats than in most other mmos. your traits will always make quite a difference.

9 different stats in this game its gonna important to have the right ones for what you want to do

[Sy]

I really wish they showed the traits of that thief from the video I linked. He had insane damage, but the fortitude of tissue paper. Also couldn't tell what level they were.

it was structured pvp, they are ALWAYS lvl 80 in there :P

as for the traits, seeing as how he was going pretty much all out damage even with his utility spells, i'm guessing he had a lot of power and precision traits.

9 different stats in this game its gonna important to have the right ones for what you want to do

of course. gear will matter, and so will the right gear choices.
just not quite as much as in wow, for example.

[Loaf Lord]

it was structured pvp, they are ALWAYS lvl 80 in there :P

as for the traits, seeing as how he was going pretty much all out damage even with his utility spells, i'm guessing he had a lot of power and precision traits.


of course. gear will matter, and so will the right gear choices.
just not quite as much as in wow, for example.

Are you given all the traits even when you're upscaled to level 80?

[Glytch]

Are you given all the traits even when you're upscaled to level 80?

not for wvwvw

for hotjoin and structured yes, except for banned traits

[Loaf Lord]

not for wvwvw

for hotjoin and structured yes, except for banned traits

there are banned traits? like which ones?

[Glytch]

there are banned traits? like which ones?

none yet, but anet has said that they will ban specific traits from pvp if they deem it

[DrakeWurrum]

if by "dots" you mean conditions then no it does not

Wait, Power doesn't affect Bleed, Burn, or Poison? O_o

Power is an offensive character attribute. Each attribute point put into this attribute increases the attack statistic by one, which increases damage for all attacks.

Attack is a property that is listed on the hero panel that directly increases all damage dealt by the character. This statistic is primarily improved by increasing the Power attribute.

I really want to double-check this now.

I get why they might have it work that way, because then Malice and Power can be redundant... but not if Malice affects condition damage far more than Power does.



Also: There's TEN attributes, not nine. The tenth one is profession-specific. I don't know if you can find it on gear, and I don't know how it works when it is on gear. (Like, does Willpower show on gear so that everybody sees it as Willpower, or does it change based on who sees/equip it? Or is it only on gear restricted to your profession?)

[Glytch]

Wait, Power doesn't affect Bleed, Burn, or Poison? O_o




I really want to double-check this now.

I get why they might have it work that way, because then Malice and Power can be redundant... but not if Malice affects condition damage far more than Power does.



Also: There's TEN attributes, not nine. The tenth one is profession-specific.

conditions do damage, not the players. since they are using the engine from GW1 (while heavily modified) i would expect this behavior to remain. thus power wouldnt effect them. in addition they get their own stat so having it double dip like that seems redundant (yes i know crits double dip but they have had trouble making crits feel special enough)

[solidsheep]

if by "dots" you mean conditions then no it does not

DOT stands for Damage Over Time....why do people get so pissy on this forum the second they think someone is linking wow and gw2.....sigh

[DrakeWurrum]

conditions do damage, not the players. since they are using the engine from GW1 (while heavily modified) i would expect this behavior to remain. thus power wouldnt effect them. in addition they get their own stat so having it double dip like that seems redundant (yes i know crits double dip but they have had trouble making crits feel special enough)

I don't believe for a second that it double-dips any more than Prowess does. Why get more Prowess when you can get more Power?

The way crits work is (150 + Prowess) damage. My Thief build, with traits alone, is already at 180%, if it works the way I'm thinking.

But why didn't I just get more Power instead? Because Prowess specifically makes crits better, and I imagine it makes them stronger at a far faster pace (per point) than Power would, which would make everything stronger.

[Glytch]

DOT stands for Damage Over Time....why do people get so pissy on this forum the second they think someone is linking wow and gw2.....sigh

because it matters in this context

name a dot that is not a condition, this is important to your question im not just being a total asshole



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jerk

[DrakeWurrum]

DOT stands for Damage Over Time....why do people get so pissy on this forum the second they think someone is linking wow and gw2.....sigh

To be fair, it's technically the case that "DoTs" in WoW, are just debuffs that do damage, just how "DoTs" in GW2 are conditions that do damage.

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name a dot that is not a condition

Name a WoW debuff that is not a DoT.


There's actually a lot of them. A lot more than there are in GW2.

Now who's the jerk?

In this context "DoT" means the exact same thing in GW2 that it does in WoW: Damage Over Time effect.

[Glytch]

I don't believe for a second that it double-dips any more than Prowess does. Why get more Prowess when you can get more Power?

The way crits work is (150 + Prowess) damage. My Thief build, with traits alone, is already at 180%, if it works the way I'm thinking.

But why didn't I just get more Power instead? Because Prowess specifically makes crits better, and I imagine it makes them stronger at a far faster pace (per point) than Power would, which would make everything stronger.

its more about makign them each exciting, not which is better. look at the earlier dev blogs, they said they wanted crits to be special, with earlier builds generating extra conditions only on crits.

they've already spiced up the conditions, i dont think they have to make them grow off of power. crits on the other hand in these builds seems rather... bleh

---------- Post added 2012-04-19 at 04:18 PM ----------

To be fair, it's technically the case that "DoTs" in WoW, are just debuffs that do damage, just how "DoTs" in GW2 are conditions that do damage.

---------- Post added 2012-04-19 at 05:15 PM ----------


Name a WoW debuff that is not a DoT.


There's actually a lot of them. A lot more than there are in GW2.

Now who's the jerk?

In this context "DoT" means the exact same thing in GW2 that it does in WoW: Damage Over Time effect.

no shit

but there is a differnce between a "dot" and a "condition" when it comes to stats

you know, when you have stats the specifically buff only condition damage. the distinction is important this time

[DrakeWurrum]

you know, when you have stats the specifically buff only condition damage. the distinction is important this time

No, it's really not. Malice improves condition damage only. i.e. DoT damage.

There is no other form of DoT effect unless you, somehow, chose to think of DoT as "DPS" instead. The terminology in this situation cannot possibly be confusing to you.

DoT damage and condition damage are one and the same.

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its more about makign them each exciting, not which is better. look at the earlier dev blogs, they said they wanted crits to be special, with earlier builds generating extra conditions only on crits.

they've already spiced up the conditions, i dont think they have to make them grow off of power. crits on the other hand in these builds seems rather... bleh

Makes them plenty special imo. I don't see the problem here. The interaction of Power and Malice should cause something very interesting.

IMO, it's way too confusing to have Power not affect a specific source of damage. It's your power. How powerful you are. It should affect all damage.

ANet is big on keeping things simple like that.

[Glytch]

No, it's really not. Malice improves condition damage only. i.e. DoT damage.

There is no other form of DoT effect unless you, somehow, chose to think of DoT as "DPS" instead. The terminology in this situation cannot possibly be confusing to you.

DoT damage and condition damage are one and the same.

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Makes them plenty special imo. I don't see the problem here. The interaction of Power and Malice should cause something very interesting.

IMO, it's way too confusing to have Power not affect a specific source of damage. It's your power. How powerful you are. It should affect all damage.

ANet is big on keeping things simple like that.

ok allow me to rephrase

if its not from a condition: yes power increases it

if its from a condition: no, malice does

if you get butthurt about people using correct terminology when using it would be to avoid possible ambiguity (this situation) i advise to you join the tea party

[solidsheep]

no shit

but there is a differnce between a "dot" and a "condition" when it comes to stats

you know, when you have stats the specifically buff only condition damage. the distinction is important this time

I don't think you understand what DOT means.... its just a type dmg out put just like calling your self a melee or range dps...if that helps you understand