Would Socialism really be that bad?

[IronJohn]

People who truly strive to come to the US are mostly from shithole countries. Ask how many of the West-Europeans strive to go there. The free market MUST have losers, which leads to poverty and poverty usually leads to Detroit, drugs and gangwars. This is why there should be socialist policies that lets people survive while being poor and still not resort to crime(while keeping that drive to succeed and raise your own economic status.) Its not hard to understand this. But wait, it would actually mean paying taxes to improve overall quality of life... omfg.

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here but it sounds like you are familiar with a different sort of immigrant than I am. The people that I am familiar with came here because they did live in a country with practically no opportunity, moved to a place where they could make themselves better and have worked to do just that. And oh-by-the-way, the free market does not need losers to work, I am not sure where you got your information but I would sure be glad to look at your data, my own personal experiences must be a fluke. In the free market both participants in a transaction feel as if they came out ahead at the end of the deal (in real life sometimes you feel like you got screwed but who doesn't sometimes?)

I reject your argument that being poor leads to criminal behaviour as well as rejecting that The War on Poverty can only be won with more money and social programs.

And just to make sure I understand you here, are you are advocating that socialism is good because it keeps poor people as well fed, docile pets?

[Nicola]

Despite his flawed ideals, he was talking about Socialism, not Communism.

Don't criticize his point while muddying the issue.

we would all be equal. Imagine a world where people did not fight over money. Where the income gap from the rich and poor was not so wide.

Not sure how it's up with you, but this sounds a lot more like Communism then Socialism.

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Not really interested but thanks for offer...

[Adam Jensen]

True, unaltered socialism would go to hell in a handbasket, but so would true and unaltered ANYTHING. To find pros/cons of any political ideology, simply try to study the different nations that follow it.

I.e. South Korea/U.S.A for capitalism, Norway/Canda for socialism etc.. Personally, I kinda like the socialism here in Norway, since it's sprinkled with both liberalism and capitalism^^

This. The best form of economy is actually a proper blend of each extreme, not to go full one way or the other. We want capitalism and socialism, as much as the two can combine. A middle ground. Not 50:50 each way, but a balance of each.

No one theory works well alone.

[Deleted]

for every1, answer after uve watched this

[Linaver]

How bad is it in the states that you look to an alternative government with an argument "it can't be that bad" ?

[Deleted]

Socialism works fine here in Denmark. Sure, it's mixed with some liberalism and conservatism. One of the reasons why it works is that money isn't the only incitement for work.

[Deleted]

socialism is not bad in denmark because we get payed twice as much maybe 3 times as much as other countries. we have 47% taxes, but if the taxes go up, we get payed more for our work. thats a HUGE problem as all the companies move to asia. so i wont say that socialism works in denmark:b tho i dont care about the money, its some freaking paper that is worth more then human lives. GG world GG /sigh

[Deleted]

I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here but it sounds like you are familiar with a different sort of immigrant than I am. The people that I am familiar with came here because they did live in a country with practically no opportunity, moved to a place where they could make themselves better and have worked to do just that. And oh-by-the-way, the free market does not need losers to work, I am not sure where you got your information but I would sure be glad to look at your data, my own personal experiences must be a fluke. In the free market both participants in a transaction feel as if they came out ahead at the end of the deal (in real life sometimes you feel like you got screwed but who doesn't sometimes?)

I reject your argument that being poor leads to criminal behaviour as well as rejecting that The War on Poverty can only be won with more money and social programs.

And just to make sure I understand you here, are you are advocating that socialism is good because it keeps poor people as well fed, docile pets?

Well of course they immigrate to a moderately better place since they come from shitty countries, go figure. My point was that people in Europe dont feel that US could offer them anything substantial compared to what they can achieve in their own countries and that is in itself proof that socialistic policies do not smolder the drive to succeed, otherwise they would just immigrate to US.

You're mostly just painting dreams the same way that any idiologists do whitout actual practical assurance. My proposal has been proven to work effectivily in scandinavia so it does not matter wether you reject my argument or not.

Poverty does not lead to criminal behavior? Lol, best line of the day. Yes, obviosly its much better when they live in boxes or start gang wars instead of having a solid foundation incase they might want to start pursue success.

Edit: Also, im not advocating "Socialism" in itself, only some socialistic policies.

[Rukentuts]

As long as many people in the USA don't pay any federal income tax, yes it's that bad.

[cherb]

Communism simply does not work, deal with it.
I rather stay rich, deal with it
Yes, I don't want higher taxes, heck, I don't even pay taxes here. (hehehehehe)

Honestly, all I can see in your post is how you are trying to hide your own economical status and your desires to be richer behind a bunch of clichés and a lot of nonsense

I don't think it would work either, but Communism and Socialism are not the same thing.

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As long as many people in the USA don't pay any federal income tax, yes it's that bad.

Mitt Romney paid less of a % of taxes than I did last year, and he makes probably 100,000% more than I do. It isn't just poor people that avoid paying income taxes, and rich people go to great lengths to do it.

[Korgoth]

Socialism is the forced sharing of misery. It's saying "this guys miserable, so now i am going to make you miserable so he can be less, even though you had absolutely nothing to do with causing him to be miserable."

Socialism, Fascism, Communism; three forms of Government that if they ever make their way to the US I'd take up arms against it.

[Rukentuts]

Mitt Romney paid less of a % of taxes than I did last year, and he makes probably 100,000% more than I do. It isn't just poor people that avoid paying income taxes, and rich people go to great lengths to do it.

That's a separate argument, albeit one I heavily agree on. I'm just pissed that I have to pay 25-30% b/w state and federal income tax and then I turn around and see people barking for 'free' college and 'free' healthcare to add to their food stamp collection and subsidized rent.

[Grraarrgghh]

That's a separate argument, albeit one I heavily agree on. I'm just pissed that I have to pay 25-30% b/w state and federal income tax and then I turn around and see people barking for 'free' college and 'free' healthcare to add to their food stamp collection and subsidized rent.

Yeah god forbid the US had an educated and healthy populace.

[Deleted]

Mitt Romney paid less of a % of taxes than I did last year, and he makes probably 100,000% more than I do. It isn't just poor people that avoid paying income taxes, and rich people go to great lengths to do it.

That mostly has to do with politicians having their heads up the asses of people like Mitt Romney.

[Deleted]

Socialism is the forced sharing of misery. It's saying "this guys miserable, so now i am going to make you miserable so he can be less, even though you had absolutely nothing to do with causing him to be miserable."

Socialism, Fascism, Communism; three forms of Government that if they ever make their way to the US I'd take up arms against it.

well dude, u might have to do that, so get out of your chair shut down the computer and prepare, because socialism is comming to the US. The European nation of France has voted for socialism for the first time in decades by electing Francois Hollande to replace their president Nicolas Sarkozy. they play a HUGE factor in EU, so if it works out in france, i bet u all of EU will go that way, and in the end BOOM, USA will have socialism, and by that time its canada / USA / mexico is called the north american union. its all about time, and socialism will work, if its the proper leaders, its ALL about the leaders.

[Rukentuts]

Yeah god forbid the US had an educated and healthy populace.

Yea, God forbid people actually take responsibility for their lives.

There's federal loans (low interest) and grants for people that want to go to college. People just don't want to lift a finger and want their education handed to them for 'free'.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Socialism is the forced sharing of misery. It's saying "this guys miserable, so now i am going to make you miserable so he can be less, even though you had absolutely nothing to do with causing him to be miserable."

Socialism, Fascism, Communism; three forms of Government that if they ever make their way to the US I'd take up arms against it.

Better grab your shotgun. Socialism has already started! Public libraries, public education, public highways, public water, public power, public health insurance, public parks, public broadcasting are all already invading America as we speak! It's shared misery! Pandamonium! Ahhhh!

"Grab your guns maw and paw, they just said on that thar TV box that them Russians was invadin' Georgia!!!"

[Flappy]

I don't want socialism because it destroys any chance for me to actually succeed. Also, why work when everyone gets the same thing regardless? It infuriates me that people actually want to install a system where there is no room to improve.

I would rather have a "small" chance than no chance to be successful.

I hate leeching off others, it surprises me that people are okay with the idea that the entirety of society should become leeches.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I don't want socialism because it destroys any chance for me to actually succeed. Also, why work when everyone gets the same thing regardless? It infuriates me that people actually want to install a system where there is no room to improve.

I would rather have a "small" chance than no chance to be successful.

I hate leeching off others, it surprises me that people are okay with the idea that the entirety of society should become leeches.

If I can ask you one thing, what do you work as?

I can say one thing for sure, if you're making less than seven figures, you're benefiting more from the American social systems already in place than you shell out in tax money to pay for them.

[Grraarrgghh]

Yea, God forbid people actually take responsibility for their lives.

There's federal loans (low interest) and grants for people that want to go to college. People just don't want to lift a finger and want their education handed to them for 'free'.

Yeah subsidized education is working out really poorly for Sweden, Finland, The Netherlands, Canada, Norway, Iceland, China, Korea, Japan...etc.etc.etc.etc.

You know, pretty much every country with a growing economy rather than a receding one.