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    And I'm out of Pepsi. That's unfortunate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    I only put "arguably" there because someone like Alai or that Mails-Prowers guy would rage if I just flat-out said that Schumacher is the greatest driver of all time.

    And two can play that game.
    I was going to link this, but thought the icecream one was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    Dare I say it?



    He's the most physically unfit driver on the grid. He's lazy and a drunkard, and he sleeps a lot, even before races. He couldn't practice anywhere near as much as the others, not even at a younger age, because of how cold Finland is (which helped him learn how to drive consistently fast while preserving his tyres). He didn't even have a superlicense when he started racing in F1 because he was "unproven".

    And yet he's always been at the top and is one of the greatest drivers of all time. And I'd dare say he's a little underrated, considering he unfairly lost at least two championships. Not only that, but he's just come out of retirement and he's already doing a much better job than the (arguably) greatest driver of all time.
    Yet he still puts in a considerable amount of work to be where he is at.

    Leaving in 2009 still puts him at 20 years of driving experience. That's a bit more than a drop in the bucket for a lot of racers. Three years of off time isn't exactly going to make you forget 20 years of experience, just saying.

    I'm not saying hard work trumps intellect and potential, but just having those things doesn't trump hard work either. It's a mix of all those things, and even your driver works for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    Why? If hard work's contributed more to your "rise" than sheer talent and skill then you'll drop off much more quickly.
    If you don't already understand, I don't know how to explain it to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    And I'm out of Pepsi. That's unfortunate.
    Yeah, I'm out of not-water myself. I downed a 2-liter in two days, and I'm trying to conserve money. And Target here doesn't have a generic brand soda.

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    @Coffer, I didn't mean that as condescending as it sounded, it's just a concept I'm not good at explaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Yet he still puts in a considerable amount of work to be where he is at.
    Far less than anyone else, and he doesn't care about it. That's what I'm getting at.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Leaving in 2009 still puts him at 20 years of driving experience. That's a bit more than a drop in the bucket for a lot of racers. Three years of off time isn't exactly going to make you forget 20 years of experience, just saying.
    It does mean that you have a lot more to do to get back to the top. It took Schumacher 3 years to finally outperform Rosberg, and before his return he had never been beaten by a teammate. Better yet, he'd outmatched Senna in only his first full year of F1.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    I'm not saying hard work trumps intellect and potential, but just having those things doesn't trump hard work either. It's a mix of all those things, and even your driver works for it.
    In all fairness, maybe I was wrong to fully shove hard work aside. You have a point, although I still believe that it's not a pure necessity, or that it's as effective as most say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    I was going to link this, but thought the icecream one was better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74kJMhqY3WQ
    Public awkwardness general.

    That one always makes me laugh, even though it's not his fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    And I'm out of Pepsi. That's unfortunate.
    I ran out of coke yesterday. :<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendulous View Post
    It depends on the definition of "hard work". I don't take that to only mean "physical". Hard work is just a matter of dedication to whatever it is, as long as it's productive.
    I wouldn't say hard work is completely limited to productivity either.

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    I'm I the only person who doesn't drink soda? >>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenda View Post
    I'm I the only person who doesn't drink soda? >>
    I've been drinking way less soda lately, but it's difficult to just stop drinking it altogether.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenda View Post
    I'm I the only person who doesn't drink soda? >>
    Yes

    I drink it for the caffeine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffer View Post
    Dare I say it?



    He's the most physically unfit driver on the grid. He's lazy and a drunkard, and he sleeps a lot, even before races. He couldn't practice anywhere near as much as the others, not even at a younger age, because of how cold Finland is (which helped him learn how to drive consistently fast while preserving his tyres). He didn't even have a superlicense when he started racing in F1 because he was "unproven".

    And yet he's always been at the top and is one of the greatest drivers of all time. And I'd dare say he's a little underrated, considering he unfairly lost at least two championships. Not only that, but he's just come out of retirement and he's already doing a much better job than the (arguably) greatest driver of all time.
    I don't really think that has anything to do with respect though, you're just saying that this guy got it done without as much hard work as most did. There's still no way Kimi has done no hard work to get where he is, it may be less then the others on the field and he may do just as well thanks to his natural talent but I don't think he deserves more respect than the drivers who are just as good but got there through more hard work. I probably agree that due to his skill he deserves equal respect as other drivers of his caliber, some would argue he deserves less, but I don't see how he would deserve more than those that did work hard and put in more seat time to accomplish their goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splenda View Post
    I'm I the only person who doesn't drink soda? >>
    Frey doesn't. I have also stopped drinking it for the most part. Maybe I will have a can during a birthday, but I usually drink Arizona green tea now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    I was going to link this, but thought the icecream one was better.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74kJMhqY3WQ
    Top Gear episode.


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