Unfortunately, I bought Guild Wars 2

[Deleted]

How? I can log on WoW 1.12 right now, and it feels more polished, with more competitive PvP, and that's about 5 years out of date

GW2 has some cool stuff, but the PvP is a slow, clunky, and awkward disaster

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LFR is harder than Guild Wars 2

GW2 is a fine game, but it's the easiest MMO I've ever played, by far

um What? LFR is harder than explo mode dungeons?? Not sure is serious tbh.

[Deleted]

Comparison time!

I quest in wow - reward level: greens. I'm a happy bunny and I get to do rad stuff like getting shot out of cannons and picking up squirrels.
I raid in wow - reward level: maximumuru! Friends, laughs, hard modes, hc runs, LFR is chicken soup.
I PvP in wow - reward level: underwhelming. Leave this for others.
I hang out with friends in wow - reward level: godlike. This is what makes the game fun. And I didn't even know these guys before I joined the guild!

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I quest in GW2 - reward level: nothing. Karma is to be saved, not squandered on such lowly items you peasant. Off with ye, and go kill some more hostile stuff so I can credit your heart bar.
I do DEs in GW2 - reward level: grindu! Nuff said. It's really not all that interesting the third go round. Play a couple of hours a day and I'm still bored, even though I don't actually repeat stuff. Most DEs devolve into kill/escort/zerg anyway
I PvP in GW2 - reward level: good fun eh. SPvP is fun for a while. Then you start realizing the rank system offers no real progress. Just grinded BGs so you can 'look cooler'. Looking cooler wasn't ever a motivation to do anything for me. Virtual or otherwise.
I hang out with friends in GW2 - reward level: solo. Jumping puzzles are for solo players, SPvP doesn't allow group queueing, tourneys require composition, DEs are grinds, quests are ... non-existent. So how do I play with my friends other than zerging WvW or progressing the gxp bar?

Mood: unimpressed.

MoP: preordered.

I wish everyone that is enjoying GW2 the best. But much like GW1, this game is not worth playing for me since the PvE experience is a thinly veiled grind. I prefer my quest text to the nothing of GW2.

[RoKPaNda]

I don't feel that way, no. I enjoy Guild Wars 2 quite a bit, and like with GW1 I think it's something that I'll get bored with but then pick up again a few times down the line. It hasn't had a positive or negative effect on my feelings about other games.

[Shadylol]

um What? LFR is harder than explo mode dungeons?? Not sure is serious tbh.

Baseline combat in WoW simply requires more skill than in GW2. GW2 has too easy of a setup, with very few abilities, and of those few, there's only a couple actually worth using, and there's too many easy "outs", like the dodge roll that just turns you invulnerable

[Galaddriel]

This is kind of a problem for me, too. I don't need to have a whole load of keys to press (and I did play WoW pre-BC, when rotations were way more simple than they are now), but Guild Wars 2 just feels too easy, too simple, and worst of all, too automated. When I maximize my DPS by hitting E once, and hitting Q every few seconds, there's a problem. I don't know why they even have auto attack in a game with so few abilities

You really should try an elementalist if you like juggling a number of abilites. 25 abilities in fact, it's much more complex than my warlock ever was.

But there are professions that are easier, just like playing an arcane mage in WoW. Can't judge the whole game on that and it looks kinda ridiculous when you do.

[Gritalian]

You make the spectrum too wide. I didnt said in WoW you just stand and do nothing. I said that I feel more pressured while doing things I mentioned in GW2 compared to things I do in WoW raids. You also put up a rather extreme example of HC Ragnaros. Argued to be the hardest encounter in 7 years of WoW raids (I think Ensidia or one of those guilds made such claim). HC Rag does not equal mainting DPS rotation and that is what post I replied to mentioned. You should not account account HC Rag to be your bread and butter WoW activity. And not LFR either. I would say something along the line of guilds slowly but steadily progressing through HC content is a better example.

Well, I can't tell you what you should feel more pressured doing, however I think when comparing difficulties, it's best to use the hardest of content to compare.
So which boss would you like to use? Sinestra? Heroic Spine? Heroic Ascendant Council?

Easier?
Heroic Madness? Heroic Nef? Heroic Conclave? Al'Akir? Heroic Cho'gall? Pre-nerf Heroic Alysrazor?
Easier?
Heroic Omnotron... Magmaw... Halfus?

All of these fights require doing the right thing or dying, whether it be proper rotation, avoiding damage without the ability to roll.
Yeah its true, the beginner bosses of each tier, even on heroic, are pretty easy, but is that really what we should be comparing?

[ShadowCrafter]

LFR is harder than Guild Wars 2

GW2 is a fine game, but it's the easiest MMO I've ever played, by far

Yet the dungeons in GW2 are TBC difficulty. This guy is worried that the millions of hours hes spent in wow will be for nothing as the game continues to bleed subs.
What he fails to realise is that even without GW2, wow is on a downward spiral that I think even Jeff Kaplan himself won't be able to save.

[Deleted]

Ah, to revel in the novelty of an new and decent MMO before starting to notice the flaws. See you back in wow in 1-2 weeks.

[Shadylol]

You really should try an elementalist if you like juggling a number of abilites. 25 abilities in fact, it's much more complex than my warlock ever was.

But there are professions that are easier, just like playing an arcane mage in WoW. Can't judge the whole game on that and it looks kinda ridiculous when you do.

No, stance dancing is the opposite of what I want. If the UI had some basic functionality added, such as a way to have all of your stances (and for other classes, weapons) abilities laid out at once, and I could keybind them individually, rather than keybinding a slot that I can't move the skill on, then I wouldn't mind stance dancing by just hitting those keys, but going through the arbitrary constraint of "LOL FIRE MODE", then "LOL WATER MODE" is even worse than hitting 2 keys to max DPS

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Yet the dungeons in GW2 are TBC difficulty. This guy is worried that the millions of hours hes spent in wow will be for nothing as the game continues to bleed subs.
What he fails to realise is that even without GW2, wow is on a downward spiral that I think even Jeff Kaplan himself won't be able to save.

BC was when WoW went to easy mode, so you're basically saying that GW2 is easy

And I don't play retail WoW anymore, so I could care less how many subscribers that game has

[ShadowCrafter]

No, stance dancing is the opposite of what I want. If the UI had some basic functionality added, such as a way to have all of your stances (and for other classes, weapons) abilities laid out at once, and I could keybind them individually, rather than keybinding a slot that I can't move the skill on, then I wouldn't mind stance dancing by just hitting those keys, but going through the arbitrary constraint of "LOL FIRE MODE", then "LOL WATER MODE" is even worse than hitting 2 keys to max DPS

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BC was when WoW went to easy mode, so you're basically saying that GW2 is easy

And I don't play retail WoW anymore, so I could care less how many subscribers that game has

Seriously m8 start looking at doing other things in life, wow isn't going to be around forever and in 3 years time from now it will be a shadow of it's former glory.

[Gritalian]

Yet the dungeons in GW2 are TBC difficulty. This guy is worried that the millions of hours hes spent in wow will be for nothing as the game continues to bleed subs.

I'm pretty sure the hours of great times being spent are something that can't be taken once they are spent. I hated DS, cleared it 2nd day, worked on HMs for a month, and the entire guild took a 9 month break... my first break since buying the game in Vanilla... as bad as DS was, it doesn't take away my enjoyment of hitting 60 for the first time, spending countless hours in AV... doesn't take away all of the friends I made...

Basically: your weak argument is really bad.

[Sojou]

Say it again in 6 month.

Exploring new world is interesting, questing and leveling is fun, but can this game keep you interested for several years?

It doesn't have to. There is no monthly fee so if you stop playing for a while its fine. Enjoy the vanilla content enough and you'll come back for content updates and expansions and that's all Anet wants.

[Deleted]

Dunno why you guys keep compring raids with gw2 tbh. Anyway the amount of keybinds you have dosent not mean higher skill cap, just look at moba games, how many abilities you got? 5-6?

[Synnedsoul]

point is:
You dont have to buy Pandaria on release... give GW2 time and wait til it bores you, and then give MOP a chance, with a bit luck, you might get it with reduced price... or free2play (imminent downfall is always an eventuality)

Fortunately for us, MoP will never be free and WoW will never be F2P. It'll get shutdown for another MMo of theirs before it gets F2P

[Caliph]

roll a ranger.

you swap weapons a lot unless you don't want to. and you swap pets as well. Idon't understand how you find rotations bland, i'm switching up a lot, moving, dodging, healing, laying traps.

roll a ranger you'll see.

[Deleted]

I bought GW2 and it basically showed me, what I have in WoW. To me, combat in GW2 seemed very clunky, just like character animations.
I feel sorry for basically wasting 60€ but well, a mistake I learned from.

[Awe]

Baseline combat in WoW simply requires more skill than in GW2. GW2 has too easy of a setup, with very few abilities, and of those few, there's only a couple actually worth using, and there's too many easy "outs", like the dodge roll that just turns you invulnerable

Meh. I didnt played affliction locks since loooong time. Shadow Priests? IDK. I heard their rotations got hairy in Cata. Did they? In the past few years I played a hunter, a rogue and some healing with priest. None of them had any sort of rotation that required some sort of great skill. Jebus, last thing I played was MM hunter (I stopped playing WoW in December). Watch your focus bar. Two active skills used on intervals (Chimera and Arcane/Aimed depending from your gearing style). Spam Steady Shot otherwise and once every 3 minutes press some DPS cooldown. Dont stand in fire. When DBM yells at you like a freight train, do something important like move away or click something. SOMETIMES you have some certain role like drop a trap or snare something but that is encounter specific.

In GW2 I need to dodge much more often. Aggro is bouncy and I often find to be chased by something that can 2-shot me. Auto-attack. Two skills used on intervals to increase damage (but only when I feel like I can go closer to melee range). Then there are three kits which I rotate frequently. At least try to swap to bomb kit every 20sec and drop the long cooldown bombs at feet of mobs, as long as it is safe to be in melee for a moment. That is swap to kit, use 3-skills, change. Then swap to granade kit and do same smoke granede, poison granede and frozing granede. Also use three toolbet skills (f2-f3-f4) on cooldown. Using healing skill pretty much on cooldown due to all the damage flying around. When I get hit harder, swap to med-kit. Then 1-2-3 on the run to eat some HP packs, leaded with 4 if I have some conditions on me, end with 5 for a buff and swap to another kit or back to weapon. All this while always watching the ground for often several red circles and running away from mobs chasing me, often more than one. And then look for downed people and try to ress them. I am sorry but for me that is much more frantic from what I usually did in WoW. And I for sure did more than LFR.

I am not saying that GW2 requires some awesome skills. It does not. Starcraft 2 or Street Fighter do. But saying that LFR > GW2 dungeons? Please.

[Galaddriel]

No, stance dancing is the opposite of what I want. If the UI had some basic functionality added, such as a way to have all of your stances (and for other classes, weapons) abilities laid out at once, and I could keybind them individually, rather than keybinding a slot that I can't move the skill on, then I wouldn't mind stance dancing by just hitting those keys, but going through the arbitrary constraint of "LOL FIRE MODE", then "LOL WATER MODE" is even worse than hitting 2 keys to max DPS.

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? I have trouble believing you even tried the game.

[Deleted]

I don't entirely feel that way. I quite enjoy the way guild wars 2 is in most aspects, but I still find WoW great in combat terms with a faster paced movement (and camera). I'm still enjoying WoW, but the feeling is not as strong as it was before.

But hey, got WoW in one hand, even though it still has a sub, and I got GW2 for any and all downtime I might have (or just times when I feel like playing it instead). Good deal, imo.

Actually, the default camera movement is the set to the slowest, you have to set it yourself

[Deleted]

I can still enjoy WoW but only for shorter periods, when you've played it for over 6years you have done it so many times it's simply not fun anymore (most content, not all) the last time I played was when someone sent me a ressurection scroll and I ended up sitting in SW chatting for a week, or pretty much anyhow.