Ross Perot says America could be "taken over" by a hostile force.

[Fenixdown]

Maybe some states like Wisconsin or something. States like Texas, New York, Florida, and California though? Good luck with that one. The general population of those states owns more firepower than most armies do..including our own army.

[Goretex]

Maybe some states like Wisconsin or something. States like Texas, New York, Florida, and California though? Good luck with that one. The general population of those states owns more firepower than most armies do..including our own army.

60 yrs ago I would agree but with the U.N. and other entities having more firepower than any citizen I'm skeptical. tank>gun Chopper>gun RPG>gun. Yea we got firearms but that won't do shit to an organized army.

[NPEC]

I may be mistaken but for what i understand from the link on OP i think he is not talking about a military invasion but rather a hostile take over. Like when a company accets get so undervaluated that a bigger company buy it.

Aniway even if he is talking about a hostile take over, insted of a military invasion, the idea is still a bit silly.

[KDSwain]

We will not be taken over by an army. What will happen is that our massive debt owed to China will have to be paid off. The only way we will be able to pay it back is to give them land. Alaska, to be specific.

[Daelak]

We will not be taken over by an army. What will happen is that our massive debt owed to China will have to be paid off. The only way we will be able to pay it back is to give them land. Alaska, to be specific.

Oh look another out-of-their mind Romney supporter who thinks China is going to take American land.

[Rocko9]

Maybe if a large portion of the worlds powers joined forces, maybe. But honestly, the US has the most powerful military force on the planet right now, so it would be very long and very bloody, and in the end, not worth it for either side.

Not just that, but a lot of Americans are armed and know how to properly use and maintain their firearms.

[Goretex]

We will not be taken over by an army. What will happen is that our massive debt owed to China will have to be paid off. The only way we will be able to pay it back is to give them land. Alaska, to be specific.

I think this guy has it right and this is the most likely scenario,hell china already bought all the AMC theatres, some sky scrapers in L.A. and FLorida and bought a tower in Chicago.

[KDSwain]

Oh look another out-of-their mind Romney supporter who thinks China is going to take American land.

Getting personal aren't we? It's OK. As long as you attack a conservative on MMO you are good. I will not respond back personally or I will definitely get banned.

There are many ways to take over land. It wouldn't be much different in Alaska than it is now. The Chinese would just get easier access to the resources there. Suddenly ANWR would be open to oil drilling. Woah, look at that, a Chinese company is running the drilling and distribution. It's not as far-fetched as you want to believe.

[Reeve]

Yes the fed supposedly owns most our money, but thing is we don't even know. The Fed hasn't been audited. And from what the fed says they outsource alot of the money. Also the U.S. exports most jobs to China, Japan,India, ect... and alot of those countries we export to have a huge chunk of our debt.

If those stats were correct people wouldn't be so worried about the market, and everyone would just go on there merry way like the boom in the 90's.

With trillions of dollars in debt and China has the biggest chunk, they basically own us, just look at how many procucts we have that are made there, and not the U.S. We'll never be able to payoff our debt, the U.S. owes alot of countries some explanations because when shit hits the fan it's gonna hit hard. So no matter what we owe someone something or we're gonna have to default our currency in the near future which will be very bad.

OK, so I present you with facts and you come back with a bunch of wishy washy rhetorical nonsense. Got it.

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First, by having a government that is refusing to tax said tax-base. Second, by moving the actual value creation out of the country and focusing on a financial industry that has degenerated into one big casino game instead of performing the actual function it's supposed to perform.

US Manufacturing may be declinING, but it's nowhere near declined. The US still makes ~20% of the whole world's manufactured goods.

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What people don't get is you can tax all you want, you can cut taxes which is just a short time bandaid, and try any other means. we're never gonna payoff our debt or get even close to paying it off.

And it shouldn't be paid off. It would be disastrous to pay it off. It's too high right now, for sure, but it shouldn't be 0 either.

---------- Post added 2012-10-02 at 02:35 PM ----------

We will not be taken over by an army. What will happen is that our massive debt owed to China will have to be paid off. The only way we will be able to pay it back is to give them land. Alaska, to be specific.

Alaska is worth a hell of a lot more than a $1.3 trillion. The oil reserves alone are probably worth that much. Besides, what in the world makes you think we're incapable of paying off $1.3 trillion?

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Not just that, but a lot of Americans are armed and know how to properly use and maintain their firearms.

Armaments aren't as important as training and organization.

[KDSwain]

Alaska is worth a hell of a lot more than a $1.3 trillion. The oil reserves alone are probably worth that much. Besides, what in the world makes you think we're incapable of paying off $1.3 trillion?

This scenario isn't for the end of the week. This is a scenario for many years in the future, say 40-50, with the trend the US government is on.

[Daelak]

Getting personal aren't we? It's OK. As long as you attack a conservative on MMO you are good. I will not respond back personally or I will definitely get banned.

There are many ways to take over land. It wouldn't be much different in Alaska than it is now. The Chinese would just get easier access to the resources there. Suddenly ANWR would be open to oil drilling. Woah, look at that, a Chinese company is running the drilling and distribution. It's not as far-fetched as you want to believe.

I mean you are the one who thinks we would SELL land for some "debt" that we are already paying them. It doesn't make any sense, and I want you to know that. They can't "call in the debt" like the mob, it is a BOND, a preset date of maturity, not some contract written on a napkin between you and your high school adderall dealer.

[Deleted]

We Brits will take you over, then give you back you independence in return for discount beef, Deal? We will even teach you how to make awesome curries to ease the sting of your defeat.

[Reeve]

We Brits will take you over, then give you back you independence in return for discount beef, Deal? We will even teach you how to make awesome curries to ease the sting of your defeat.

I already get good curries at the British pubs and Indian restaurants. What else you got?

[smelltheglove]

We Brits will take you over, then give you back you independence in return for discount beef, Deal? We will even teach you how to make awesome curries to ease the sting of your defeat.

do it. i dare you. we will so dump your tea in the harbor

[Reeve]

do it. i dare you. we will so dump your tea in the harbor

Tea's not really their thing as much as it was in the days of the Boston Chai Fiesta. These days, we'd have to dump Manchester United in the harbor or something like that.

[Amsden]

I just saw a documentary about 9/11 and how the US litterary could not defend themself at all. Unorganized to say the least.
Therefore it's rather plausible that a hostile force could invade America someday.

9/11 and a military invasion are 2 very different things.

I voted no, my vote excludes possible zombie/alien invasion.

[Rocko9]

Armaments aren't as important as training and organization.

Training in what? Besides, people who have guns will more than like band together during an invasion.

[Adam Jensen]

Can we? Yes.

Will we? Don't see why we would be.

[Rooflesstoofless]

Its entirely possible, all they would have to do is:

Cross the ocean.
Somehow defeat the Navy, Air Force (and Coast Guard).
Somehow defeat the Army and Marines.
Somehow defeat armed resistance of the citizens.
Somehow not spread their forces too thin while covering a little under 4 million square miles.
Get reinforcements from a country which is most likely reduced to glass and glowing in the dark.

There has to be a whole shit load of incentive to attempt something like that. So what's the incentive?

If he was talking about economically...well, then we have a different story because that's already happening.

[Adam Jensen]

Its entirely possible, all they would have to do is:

Cross the ocean.
Somehow defeat the Navy, Air Force (and Coast Guard).
Somehow defeat the Army and Marines.
Somehow defeat armed resistance of the citizens.
Somehow not spread their forces too thin while covering a little under 4 million square miles.
Get reinforcements from a country which is most likely reduced to glass and glowing in the dark.

There has to be a whole shit load of incentive to attempt something like that. So what's the incentive?

unobtanium underneath our national parks?