America's First Settlers

[Collegeguy]

And about Canada in 1812, we did burn down the white house

We haven't forgot about you. We're just waiting for the right opportunity.

[Zhangfei]

Who is dying for who here. Colonists fought in that war as well. France wanted to take the colony from Britain, not take the colony from the colonists.

And the colony would have been fine? It's very British, and now American, to fight for your property. Incredibly Lockean.

The French had no qualms about thinning the herd. And if you want to make the colonists distinct from the British, then it means you owe the British more for sacrificing themselves for your safety. I disagree with this!

[Tierbook]

And the colony would have been fine? It's very British, and now American, to fight for your property. Incredibly Lockean.

The French had no qualms about thinning the herd. And if you want to make the colonists distinct from the British, then it means you owe the British more for sacrificing themselves for your safety. I disagree with this!

So.... if i were a colonist i should thank the british for killing my countrymen?

[Zhangfei]

So.... if i were a colonist i should thank the british for killing my countrymen?

If you were a French colonist who chose to go to a British colony, absolutely!

[GreatOak]

I still don't know why Canadians are virtually indistinguishable from Americans for the most part. Is it really as simple as them being both a former colony and 90% living within 300 km of the border?

I lived in Toronto for 3 months and it was the same as it is here in Chicago when it came to daily life. I'm not exaggerating here, but not once did anyone think I wasn't Canadian. I guess if I had a southern accent they wouldve known.

[Zhangfei]

I still don't know why Canadians are virtually indistinguishable from Americans for the most part. Is it really as simple as them being both a former colony and 90% living within 300 km of the border?

I lived in Toronto for 3 months and it was the same as it is here in Chicago when it came to daily life. I'm not exaggerating here, but not once did anyone think I wasn't Canadian. I guess if I had a southern accent they wouldve known.

I've seen an interesting historical hypothesis that were it not for 1812 and Canadians developing a strong sense of identity separate from the USA, that they would have eventually joined the USA through similar cultural bonds.

[Kraenen]

Ok but none of this explains accents from the deep south.

They're jamaican.

[GreatOak]

I've seen an interesting historical hypothesis that were it not for 1812 and Canadians developing a strong sense of identity separate from the USA, that they would have eventually joined the USA through similar cultural bonds.

Any Canadian who isn't from Quebec will tell you that they're only different from us politically, and even that it's not that different.
Of course some Canadians would like to pretend otherwise since they dislike us for some reason, by they're a minority.

[Rommon64]

Any Canadian who isn't from Quebec will tell you that they're only different from us politically, and even that it's not that different.
Of course some Canadians would like to pretend otherwise since they dislike us for some reason, by they're a minority.

Think of it like two brothers; Same beginnings, but every event that happens in our lives (both shared and otherwise) could make us see things differently.

Also, everyone knows hockey is the better sport (:P)

[Collegeguy]

And the colony would have been fine? It's very British, and now American, to fight for your property. Incredibly Lockean.

The French had no qualms about thinning the herd. And if you want to make the colonists distinct from the British, then it means you owe the British more for sacrificing themselves for your safety. I disagree with this!

Wouldn't that be the exact opposite. British sacrificing themselves to keep a British colony under British control. Safety has nothing to do with it. You might as well call the revolutionary war a fight for colonist safety.

[Zhangfei]

Wouldn't that be the exact opposite. British sacrificing themselves to keep a British colony under British control. Safety has nothing to do with it. You might as well call the revolutionary war a fight for colonist safety.

That's my point. Saying the colonists were anything but British is wrong, and considering their countrymen died for them, they should pay for their share of taxes.

The Revolutionary War was for rich white people to exploit natural resources, maintain slavery, push back the Demarcation Line, a lack of representation and the inherent British right to rebel against an unjust government. It's a mixture of pretty crappy, spiteful and vicious reasons and legitimate, meaningful and justifiable ones.

It's a revolution!

[GreatOak]

Think of it like two brothers; Same beginnings, but every event that happens in our lives (both shared and otherwise) could make us see things differently.

Also, everyone knows hockey is the better sport (:P)

Canada is our sister, not our brother.

[Rommon64]

Canada is our sister, not our brother.

In the sense that nations are usually seen as female, or...?

[Tierbook]

In the sense that nations are usually seen as female, or...?

other... of course

[Zhangfei]

Kids, kids! America and Canada are Britain's transgender babies.

[GreatOak]

Kids, kids! America and Canada are Britain's transgender babies.

You tryin' to say I'm some sort of socialist?

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In the sense that nations are usually seen as female, or...?

Quebec makes Canada female/effeminate

Those are the breaks

[Rommon64]

It's probably just a harmless use of terms, I just want to be sure, is all.

Quebec makes Canada female/effeminate

Those are the breaks

Is it some sort of french=girlie thing? I've never understood that connection.

[xylophone]

I still don't know why Canadians are virtually indistinguishable from Americans for the most part. Is it really as simple as them being both a former colony and 90% living within 300 km of the border?

I lived in Toronto for 3 months and it was the same as it is here in Chicago when it came to daily life. I'm not exaggerating here, but not once did anyone think I wasn't Canadian. I guess if I had a southern accent they wouldve known.

I think proximity would be the major factor. Just look elsewhere in the Anglosphere, Kiwis and Aussies are similar as well. Regarding accents as well, look at the article in the first page. There's a historical trend that colonized areas tend to preserve the accents at the time of their founding while the parent nation continues to evolve.

[TheEaterofSouls]

Weren't the 1st settlers Vikings up in lower Canada and upper US?

[xylophone]

Weren't the 1st settlers Vikings up in lower Canada and upper US?

First EU settlers were Vikings in Greenland IIRC.