[Fresh Build] High Budget Build Help

[Solemnity]

My other thread was caught by the spam service and restored twice to still being broken so I made this. Please delete the other one, ...or something. Don't shoot me.

I have been playing WoW on laptops for two thirds of the games' existence. I'm quite ready to get back into the wonderful world of towers. I'm also tired of laptops being able to play the game well, but not great. Id like to get past high settings without causing my laptop's video card to crash from it getting to 80 degrees Celsius. I have never built a computer before but I've coded computer programs and help develop websites, it can't be hard at all. Here's what I have to work with, or lack thereof.

Resources and Materials:

• Budget: $1000 - $2000. [Maybe not HIGH Budget] Id really like to try to stay under $1800. This does include OS! See last bullet.
• Location: I live on the east coast of Florida. Id like to refrain from leaving my house for nearby stores and such, people are scary.
• Resolution: 1920 x 1080.
• Desires: I want to play WoW from between High and Ultra with legroom. Some of the upper end graphics of WoW are kind of annoying because the textures don't match all of the great lighting. Makes everything look soapy and fake(er). Hovering around High in my mind. I don't really know the price requirement of completely blowing WoW out of the water, but this I need heavy suggestion on. Sprinkle in some Fraps, Photoshop, Rendering, and a slice of FPS shooter.
• Reusable Parts: Nearly nothing. I have an old Alienware back from when Vista was coming out of its shell. I don't know if the power supply is still good (can that damage things?), but I may be able to rip out the DVD player just to install Windows 8 and be done with it. I don't use DVD's otherwise. Paying the $12 bucks for one isn't out of the question though. Or more for a fancy one.
• Accessories: I don't want a Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Sound System, Mic, or Headphones. I do need an operating system. Windows 8 x64 is what I will be getting. I was persuaded in a thread hovering in this forum group. Should I get some other kind of thermal paste to apply? Extra fans? Any links to cool but functionless edits to the build?

My Weakling Attempts: List on PCPartPicker

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.99 @ Amazon) [Manual Input], Amazon Link
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($179.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($548.49 @ Newegg)
Case: Inwin GRone (Gray) ATX Full Tower Case ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1583.33; $1703.32 with CPU Cooler, give or take shipping
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 22:43 EST-0500)

Before pulling that apart here's what id like:

1. CPU and Video Card. No AMD please, but I want fast! No real attachment to anything. Overclocking maybe, id surely like the option.
2. CPU Cooler: Everything I go to throws water cooling in your face, but I don't really care. It sure seems cool, but I want something that gets the job done in relation to quietness. Some noise is fine, you won't catch me without super-massive headphones on anyway.
3. Motherboard: I honestly have no clue why you would pick a $70 motherboard over a $400 dollar one besides the seemingly minuscule features. I picked this one because of it's reviews and how fancy it was. If it will last a while I'll probably keep it but if it's just a nice motherboard that I don't really need I'll be glad to look at the others. I'm a sucker for all of that bios stuff and overclocking nub friendlyness.
4. Memory: I never really saw the need for more than 8 gigs, id prefer holding that off as a later upgrade unless it bottlenecks something.
5. Storage Thing 1 & 2: Western Digital seemed solid from what I read. Not sure about the A-Data SSD
6. Case: I don't really like ones completely covered in mesh, and I have a weakness for ones with lights. Spacing and everything shouldn't be a problem but any more criticism is encouraged.
7. Power Supply: Gold Certified 750W. Yay?
8. Optical Drive: This may get scrapped and I'll pull one from another computer, unless they have ones that are cool these days.

Open to all suggestions.

[Last Starfighter]

High Budget would be like 5k. And why are you so against AMD gpu's? And watercooling is for if you're going to be overclocking. Even then there is air that is perfectly good. Get a cheaper mobo and get a better ssd. You're going for high end parts on some things, and trying to save money by getting a 500g HDD and a small ssd.

[Solemnity]

High Budget would be like 5k.

Details, it attracts attention And I pull the card and say that's relative information. That does seem overkill though.

And why are you so against AMD gpu's?

Personal preference, I used the word please. Not like I have a grudge against them.

And watercooling is for if you're going to be overclocking. Even then there is air that is perfectly good.

Am I wasting money? I've never built one as stated. Is it really worth it? They throw it at you all over the place, it's not something I cared too much about. You get it all hooked up and don't see it again unless you want to change it's speeds or clean it.

Get a cheaper mobo and get a better ssd. You're going for high end parts on some things, and trying to save money by getting a 500g HDD and a small ssd.

I honestly picked the ASUS one because it was fancy. The laptop I'm on lets me use like 560 gig with it's forced recovery partitions and such. I barely use half of it and I have tons of torrents and undeleted videos flooding my computer. Id like to keep a lot of stuff upgradable and I've never really found worth in getting a TB of anything unless I started hoarding tons of porn or something. That sounds dirty. The SSD is just a luxury in the same mindset, and I really don't find much use in a SSD much bigger.

Edit: I'm still shaky on some things.

• OEM Windows 8 doesn't have support blah blah, I enjoy wiping my hard drive when things get messy, that doesn't conflict does it? I think it attaches to the overkill motherboard.
• Is the video card worth the money?

[Nab]

This is what you should be aiming at.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($169.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($66.08 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($93.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($548.49 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 650D ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional Gold 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1553.49
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 12:50 EST-0500)

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ B&H)
Storage: OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($509.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.25 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1610.12
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 13:48 EST-0500)
picked the most badass 680 there is due to budget still having plenty of headroom, this will run everything you throw at it for 5 years atleast (everything high/ultra for all games)
also since rendering is a task for your rig i picked an I7 to make that an even smoother job.

[Solemnity]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.25 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1519.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 15:52 EST-0500)

I'm deadlocked on the CPU. Everything else I don't have much argument with except for the Motherboard and Video Card.

Motherboard: I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I'm assuming the extreme price fluctuation is for features and lasting quality. The reviews on that one are really great, was out of stock for a full 10 minutes and made me stutter on the site but I'm iffy on it. Id also like the motherboard to outlast at least a couple upgrades.

Video Card: Those 2 above are about the same price on Newegg. So $550ish? The cards both say the same thing, as well as the same for the EVGA one. As do well, all of these other cards. What makes them fluctuate by $100? Not being money stingy but I don't want to be just throwing it on promises.

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100 92.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($75.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($88.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 520 Series Cherryville 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($119.95 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case ($98.25 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) ($79.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $1519.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-25 15:52 EST-0500)

I'm deadlocked on the CPU. Everything else I don't have much argument with except for the Motherboard and Video Card.

Motherboard: I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I'm assuming the extreme price fluctuation is for features and lasting quality. The reviews on that one are really great, was out of stock for a full 10 minutes and made me stutter on the site but I'm iffy on it. Id also like the motherboard to outlast at least a couple upgrades.

Video Card: Those 2 above are about the same price on Newegg. So $550ish? The cards both say the same thing, as well as the same for the EVGA one. As do well, all of these other cards. What makes them fluctuate by $100? Not being money stingy but I don't want to be just throwing it on promises.

price differences on gpu from same series has allot to do with factory overclocked settings and potential (extra performance manually getting a good OC on a GPU is tricky with all the new options nowadays) and cooling solution wise. (lower temps and less noise cost extra but make sure the card will survive any long term abuse with constant load for a small decade if you want it to )

[Angella]

I might drop down to a i5 K series and overclock it and up to a 256 SSD. Otherwise what people have said thusfar. Can leave it a 8GB memory - WoW will never use that much anyway. That mob is excellent. Just make sure you get the SATA3 cables for the SSD or you will be wasting some internal speed. The people are right to bump up the video card class. I'd stick to a 750W power supply - a good one too. Never get a cheap power supply.

[Szemere]

Like Angella, I would recommend going for more SSD. You will want to install your OS on that, and any games that would benefit from faster load-times that usually have big worlds: WoW, other MMOs, Planetside, GTA4/5/Just Cause, stuff like that. It is the thing I love the most (next to having a huge upgrade on CPU and GPU) in my new PC, I can't recommend a nice and large SSD enough.

[yurano]

Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680 2GB Video Card ($469.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I'm assuming the extreme price fluctuation is for features and lasting quality. The reviews on that one are really great, was out of stock for a full 10 minutes and made me stutter on the site but I'm iffy on it. Id also like the motherboard to outlast at least a couple upgrades.

This guide shows the Extreme4 with some low quality MOFSETs. I would go for the ASUS P8Z77-V LK or Gigabyte UD3H Z77 instead.

I would go for a non-reference card with an 'open' cooler like ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte.

I don't see why you changed your power supply to one of higher price and lower wattage. The Seasonic X750 you originally had is better, is Seasonic and normally retails for $150.

Motherboards do not last beyond 2 years (in terms of upgrading). New CPUs mean new sockets which require new motherboards.

[Solemnity]

This guide shows the Extreme4 with some low quality MOFSETs. I would go for the ASUS P8Z77-V LK or Gigabyte UD3H Z77 instead.

I would go for a non-reference card with an 'open' cooler like ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte.

I don't see why you changed your power supply to one of higher price and lower wattage. The Seasonic X750 you originally had is better, is Seasonic and normally retails for $150.

Motherboards do not last beyond 2 years (in terms of upgrading). New CPUs mean new sockets which require new motherboards.

Ignore the power supply thing, I just forgot to change that. Everything else you said. What.

[yurano]

Ignore the power supply thing, I just forgot to change that. Everything else you said. What.

I'm not sure how to describe the MOFSET part because I don't really understand it. What I do know is that the Extreme 4 uses low quality 'MOFSETs' which is why a lot of people on reddit.com/r/buildapc don't recommend it.

For the graphics card, I would go with one from ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI because their coolers (heatsink) is of the 'open' type. EVGA uses impeller closed type coolers.

Motherboards are not compatible cross generation. The ASRock Extreme4, and all Z77 motherboards, is a socket 1155 motherboard and is only compatible with Sandy and Ivy Bridges. Next year's CPU, Haswell, will be socket 1150 so it will not be compatible with the Extreme4. You can continue to use the motherboard with a Sandy/Ivy CPU and upgrade other components like graphics card, additional RAM (must stay DDR3), HDDs, cases.

[Shadocaster]

Why are so many people here recommending not going for Asus motherboards? OP: Asus motherboards are bar-none the best motherboards on the market. The sabretooths are even above and beyond the motherboards that Asus NORMALLY makes, they are very solid. You should never cheap out on the piece of a build that controls literally everything else on your computer.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/featu...uting-part-1-0

Only a couple things I would change from the build in the OP:

Get a thermaltake or corsair power supply. I do not have personal experience with the seasonic power supplies above 400w, so I cannot say yay or nay on it but this is my recommendation based on professional experience.

I would go with a corsair or OCZ solid state drive.

I would bump up the storage drive to 1TB. Also scorpio drives are laptop size fyi. If you already know this but still want to go with that one ignore this point.

Video card brand: I have had both EVGA and Asus video cards. Neither of them have failed on me yet and they are both old. (my newest one is an Asus, brand preference.)

[yurano]

Why are so many people here recommending not going for Asus motherboards? OP: Asus motherboards are bar-none the best motherboards on the market. The sabretooths are even above and beyond the motherboards that Asus NORMALLY makes, they are very solid. You should never cheap out on the piece of a build that controls literally everything else on your computer.

Get a thermaltake or corsair power supply. I do not have personal experience with the seasonic power supplies above 400w, so I cannot say yay or nay on it but this is my recommendation based on professional experience.

Actually, Sabertooth boards have less features than other equivalently priced ASUS motherboards of the P8Z77-V line. Newegg Comparison Most notable is the lack of 'high-end' RAM OC support and onboard WiFi.

Seasonic is the manufacturer that makes most Corsair PSUs.

[Solemnity]

I really like all of the features of an ASUS boards. Kinda why I picked the sabertooth in the first place. Here's another revision.

Edit: New thing on the OP

[yurano]

I really like all of the features of an ASUS boards. Kinda why I picked the sabertooth in the first place. Here's another revision

If you think the thermal armor looks cool, by all means go for it if you have the money. Its just not 'better' than other motherboards.

[Solemnity]

I meant the features that apparently all of the other boards have. The armor is nice, I guess, but when will I see it? Fornever.

[Faithh]

If you think the thermal armor looks cool, by all means go for it if you have the money. Its just not 'better' than other motherboards.

I'm agreeing with the choice for the sabertooth if you like it.

A silly suggestion, the sidepanel of the case youve chosen only shows like 2/7 of your motherboard.. I mean what's the point to pick such a motherboard then if you don't see the looks fully? If you plan to pick that sabertooth, a big window on the sidepanel would suit you better though.

The H100 should be definitly switched out to a H100i. No go @ H100.

I really really loved the choice you made on your Graphics card. They're just awesome binned the TOP versions. Mine is doing a 1300MHz on gpu & 7600MHz on RAM with stock voltages and without touching the power!

About your RAM, you rather aim for lowprofile RAM instead of such big heatspreaders. The difference is only that they push more ram clocks and cool better.. But overclocking RAM is useless & pointless. In some cases the heatspreader was interfering the radiator so it couldn't be mount. I'm not sure for your case though but just go for a lowprofile..

About the i7 currently there's no need for Hyperthreading but it's a lovely option anyway to have. I'm pretty sure games in the future like 5 years ahead from now, if they make use of HT you would see performance benefits over an i5 though.

BF3 & SWTOR are making use of them now anyway but HT doesn't give any performance boost.

About Samsung hard drives I never had experience with it but I think WD is a better go..

---------- Post added 2012-11-26 at 03:00 AM ----------

Why are so many people here recommending not going for Asus motherboards? OP: Asus motherboards are bar-none the best motherboards on the market. The sabretooths are even above and beyond the motherboards that Asus NORMALLY makes, they are very solid. You should never cheap out on the piece of a build that controls literally everything else on your computer.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/featu...uting-part-1-0

Only a couple things I would change from the build in the OP:

Get a thermaltake or corsair power supply. I do not have personal experience with the seasonic power supplies above 400w, so I cannot say yay or nay on it but this is my recommendation based on professional experience.

I would go with a corsair or OCZ solid state drive.

I would bump up the storage drive to 1TB. Also scorpio drives are laptop size fyi. If you already know this but still want to go with that one ignore this point.

Video card brand: I have had both EVGA and Asus video cards. Neither of them have failed on me yet and they are both old. (my newest one is an Asus, brand preference.)

Currently not even one Asus board gives an interesting future anyway. Usb flashback? The whole z77 line has that option.

The Maximus or Rampage has really interesting futures like their hotwire or you can change the clocks with your iphone. But who the hell is going to overclock or select a profile for the PC with your iphone? Hotwire, not everyone makes use of it.

I've been reading that the Maximus V extreme allows you to have both a SLI setup and a CF setup, of course the amd & nvidia cards are not working together but it just allows you to switch from SLI to CF. So in total 4 cards, 2 nvidia & 2 amd.

This rather seems to be to me a software trick.

[Solemnity]

I'm agreeing with the choice for the sabertooth if you like it.

A silly suggestion, the sidepanel of the case youve chosen only shows like 2/7 of your motherboard.. I mean what's the point to pick such a motherboard then if you don't see the looks fully? If you plan to pick that sabertooth, a big window on the sidepanel would suit you better though.

The H100 should be definitly switched out to a H100i. No go @ H100.

I really really loved the choice you made on your Graphics card. They're just awesome binned the TOP versions. Mine is doing a 1300MHz on gpu & 7600MHz on RAM with stock voltages and without touching the power!

About your RAM, you rather aim for lowprofile RAM instead of such big heatspreaders. The difference is only that they push more ram clocks and cool better.. But overclocking RAM is useless & pointless. In some cases the heatspreader was interfering the radiator so it couldn't be mount. I'm not sure for your case though but just go for a lowprofile..

About the i7 currently there's no need for Hyperthreading but it's a lovely option anyway to have. I'm pretty sure games in the future like 5 years ahead from now, if they make use of HT you would see performance benefits over an i5 though.

BF3 & SWTOR are making use of them now anyway but HT doesn't give any performance boost.

About Samsung hard drives I never had experience with it but I think WD is a better go..

I'm not too sure if you saw my updated list a couple posts up or were going off of the OP, regardless I moved it to the OP now. Sabertooth is nice yes but it has been brought to my attention it may not be too worth it. I settled in-between, would like some feedback on it. There are tons just like it!

New case, I've been looking at videos of them all weekend and are currently on that one. It shows really everything inside and I hope to flare it up later on down the road once it's all together and such. Of course staring at the motherboard isn't really what I would be going for.

The price on the water cooling is just going up and up. The closed circuit ones look amazing especially in more see-through cases though . The radiator can fit in both this new case and the old one in a push style how id prefer, but why is the H100 a no-no? First off the H100i seems to be out of stock, and not even listed on pcpartpicker. From a first glance the fan just seems to be faster, could I just get my own fans on H100 or is that not the issue? I do plan on overclocking eventually once I really start figuring out what I'm doing. I have the common sense of a rocket scientist and Fios internet, I think I can figure it out.

On the note of the ram the way you worded it confused me slightly. I don't care how the ram looks, I want 8 gigs of ram. I'm more of a lights person anyway. On the note of just getting 16 to be with it, no. I plan on progressively upgrading this for style and another HD in the future. Switched it out for a Western Digital, I keep forgetting that. People stab at you to get them.

I do render pretty frequently, and id like to keep the money-speed cushion on that.

[Faithh]

I'm not too sure if you saw my updated list a couple posts up or were going off of the OP, regardless I moved it to the OP now. Sabertooth is nice yes but it has been brought to my attention it may not be too worth it. I settled in-between, would like some feedback on it. There are tons just like it!

New case, I've been looking at videos of them all weekend and are currently on that one. It shows really everything inside and I hope to flare it up later on down the road once it's all together and such. Of course staring at the motherboard isn't really what I would be going for.

The price on the water cooling is just going up and up. The closed circuit ones look amazing especially in more see-through cases though . The radiator can fit in both this new case and the old one in a push style how id prefer, but why is the H100 a no-no? First off the H100i seems to be out of stock, and not even listed on pcpartpicker. From a first glance the fan just seems to be faster, could I just get my own fans on H100 or is that not the issue? I do plan on overclocking eventually once I really start figuring out what I'm doing. I have the common sense of a rocket scientist and Fios internet, I think I can figure it out.

On the note of the ram the way you worded it confused me slightly. I don't care how the ram looks, I want 8 gigs of ram. I'm more of a lights person anyway. On the note of just getting 16 to be with it, no. I plan on progressively upgrading this for style and another HD in the future. Switched it out for a Western Digital, I keep forgetting that. People stab at you to get them.

I do render pretty frequently, and id like to keep the money-speed cushion on that.

Ow sorry my excuses. Nice case you picked and that really should show everything of the Sabertooth like I suggested

Well I have had 6x H100's and they all were making grinding pump noise. Loads of ppl had this and there was never been a fix unless you started to mod it but that didn't always fix the problem.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1236923/c...r-response/470

The H100i doesn't seem to have this problem and is really quiet compared to the older H100.

Check Amazon, they have the H100i in stock -> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...=corsair+H100i

Another note, the H100's fan speed can be only controlled if you pressed the button on the pump but with the newer one it can be controlled with the software and you can change the led colours and different fan profiles.

Edit: Forgot about the RAM. I mean this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820233199

Well sometimes the big heatspreader on the RAM you plan to buy it's touching the radiator and not allowing you to mount it in the top of the case (inside). This depends from case to case, but I'm only familiar with a few cases.

Just said it to make sure you won't run into that issue.

Edit2: If you render a lot, just go for the i7.