Ok so what qualifications does a biochemistry major who hasn't even lived half his life yet, have that allows him to instantly judge a man as guilty with no evidence other than he admittedly served under Nazi Germany. Let's look at some facts, he joined in 1942 at age 17. The war started in 1939, at which time he was ~14. He would have, during the course of his schooling even prior to the war, been indoctrinated into the Hitler Youth if he was of Aryan eugenics. Even if he wasn't Aryan, he would have been indoctrinated into the party line as early as 1933, when he was ~8 years old. Obviously no child of that age should be pressured into any political stance as they lack the judgement and wisdom to make such decisions. And as has been stated, he most likely enlisted as a regular if he wasn't forced to enlist (which Germany WAS doing by that point in the war.) IF he was a voluntary enlistment, his joining the SS would have came about, as previously mentioned, to save administration costs and time when the SS took over the camps. Prove me wrong. You won't.
1. I'm not judging him guilty.
2. I have the same qualifications, if not more, than the rest of these anonymous posters on MMO-C/the internet.
3. I am saying that he should be deported to the international court that will deliver justice to him and decide if he is guilty (and thus answerable) for the mentioned crimes or not.
Yes, it matters. Just following orders wasn't an excuse at Nuremberg and it isn't now. Kick him out.
Those of whom are fatigued at the fact certain people have eluded justice 60 years, to them i say if the passage of time is somehow diminished the true horror these SS inflicted on the un deserving, keep that in mind, anytime you fake some kind of outrage over the next situation that should happen to anybody for any reason including yourselves.
And be reminded when or if you should ever suffer the same fate, how you woul feel about someone have your experience telling you to get over it.
This man must face justice, like all of those who served in Hitlers S.S. I don't think it is unreasonable, to ever seek justice when it is avaliable, the subject being 80 or not, he still lives, while so many others do not.
As for comparing death tolls, and situations to try to compare one horrid situation to another, in defense of something this horriable, your arguement is disingenius at best.
He was a guard at a camp.
I am no nazi simpathizer, far from it, but I HATE it when people go after the small fry like that. It's just ridiculous. The guy was just doing his job, at a time where the party in power was what it was. If at that time you were not a party member you were pretty much sol. Prosecuting a camp guard is just stupid. The people who say "I would have died trying to liberate the camp!!!!!" are pathetic clowns. No, you would not have. Not only because you would probably have been killed, but also because of the consequences it would have had for your family.
Discussing this kind of thing nowadays is pointless anyway; not only are we in a different century, but I doubt any of us can imagine exactly what kind of era it was during WW2.
Don't patronize me, I know damn well what Justice is but you act as if someone gets accused then WELL JUSTICE!!!!!!!
This is basically what you are insinuating.
"At 10:00 A.M. X man gets accused of murdering someone despite there being no evidence that they did and wasn't even close to the murder" Verdict? JUSTICE1111111111"
"Man gets accused of sexual assault. JUSTICE111111111111111111111111111111
Not everyone who gets accused is actually guilty.
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Warrior-Magi
You are one damn good hypocrite.
First you go on and on about how Hitler and Stallin never actually killed anyone but they're still murderers because they ordered the deaths of thousands, and now you say the nazi scientists have their hands clean of all the deaths their horrific experiments did. I suppose you will now say that Joseph Mengele is a saint that never actually killed anyone because he never actually did it himself.
Face the truth, those nazi scientists aided in the deaths of thousands, and they were still granted asylum and full pardon BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. Ditto for countless Gestapo officers, soviet scientists, and more.
Hey, when a mass murderer is useful to Uncle sam, lets cut them some slack, but when they're just honest folk trying to survive, lets show them our self-righteousness.
Right?
Por que odiar si amar es mas dulce? (*^_^*)
No, you have absolutely no idea what you would do back then.
You're a beneficiary of common history textbooks and the internet.
If you went back in time with all the knowledge you have now, maybe you would attempt to liberate the camp.
However, if you were in his shoes, in the period of history in which this happened, you don't have a single idea what you would do.
See what I'm saying.
JUSTICE11111111111111111111 RAWR
That is what you are portraying yourself as. Evidence be damned, JUSTICE11111111111111111
You misunderstand the concept of justice. Justice does not confer "guilty," but rather confers adequate and acceptable treatment of whatever the results of a trial are.
No I know full well what Justice is, stop patronizing me. What you're suggesting is unfair treatment of this man. It doesn't matter to you if he was forced. JUSTICE111111111111111
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Warrior-Magi
He was a guard at a death camp; he saw people as young as 4 years old being gassed and then shipped for incineration (soldiers do communicate and those working at the incinerators during the Final Solution almost undoubtedly would have spread word of what was happening) and stood by while they met their doom.
Stop acting like he was ignorant and blind to it all because that was almost certainly not the case.