[QUOTE=Mall Security;19358333]That's really not my position. If we're going to stick with oversimplifications, my position is essentially that its silly to punish the grunts of a war fought two generations ago. Don't get me wrong, if you can bring me the administrator that facility, or some German officers who actually made decisions, by all means, prosecute away. You bring the rope and I'll find the tree, someone else can bring some whiskey and we can lynch ourselves a nazi. But with the facts on hand this looks more like misplaced aggression.
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Who you are or what you do is irrelevant, is it?
Then why were you mentioning qualifications (which confers personal credentials) in the above quote? Cognitive dissonance much?
Oh, and I'm not calling for anyone's blood either. I'm saying that he shouldn't be able to evade trial.
It is easier, however what you are doing is not a debate, its you shouting constantly "I'M RIGHT, AND YOU ARE WRONG. FOR JUSTICE!!!!" Over and over. Your comment on the nazi scientists cemented that you are blind to reason, and that, since your government allowed these MURDERERS IN, then, by your logic, they can't possibly have commited any fault, because if they did, then what your government did was wrong, and your government can never be wrong, therefore they werent, therefore those scientists were not bad people. See what I mean?
if it talks like one, and looks like one.......It is rather despicable to see you label my position (which is mainstream in Germany and most of the United States) as "fanatical" or something.
Still are. =(Your grandma lived under Pinochet? You're Chilean? There were a lot of bloody dictators in SA.
I'm venezuelan, but my grandma was from Chile, and lived under the regime of that madman and the zealots that supported him (yes, shockingly, dictators can rally frenzied crows of fanatics, who knew?)
Today we live under a different madman surrounded by equally overzealous fanatics (Chavez) but that's something for another topic, and doesn't have anything to do with this, so I'll drop it.
I'll just stop trying to argue with you, as I see I'm not about to make you change your stance, I said my piece, that what is being done to that man isn't right, nor fair, and with that, I take my leave.
Before I do so, I'll remind you of one thing: You can take monkeys out of the jungle, but you can never take the jungle out of the monkey. Someone who is a killer, and enjoys killing will continue to be a killer. That man was a guard at a concentration camp against his will, and, had he been a killer, chances are he would had continue to do so after moving to a new place, but he chose to live an honest life, as a productive citizen, which speaks far more about him than about other former soldiers who go on to become mercenaries/terrorists/criminals.
Let that sink in.
Por que odiar si amar es mas dulce? (*^_^*)
Again, I'm not judging him, because unlike you, I have an account of history from PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVED IT. Contrary to what the U.S. government would have you believe, Hitler did not rally the people behind him to exterminate Jews until long after he'd been in power. My grandmother fled Germany with her parents due to the Nazi party coming to power. Hitler preyed on his people's fear, and painted a portrait of Germany as a victim in post-WWI Europe. And as has been pointed out to you NUMEROUS times, the Nazi's, upon realizing the scope of the war they were now fighting on 2 fronts, began strictly enforcing the serve or die policy, and it wasn't limited to soldiers, their families would often face retribution as well.
EDIT: Also, I never claimed to be qualified to judge the man, nor have I made judgements for or against him. I relayed facts about the time period, as most other posters have done, but you refuse to even acknowledge the credibility of their statements because they don't mesh with your distorted personal views on the subject. You, on the other hand, have both judged him, and claimed that you are qualified to do so. I merely want you to explain to us why. You can't. Because you aren't.
Tell me more about how I'm incapable of debate.
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"Prepare for the unknown by studying how others in the past have coped with the unforeseeable and the unpredictable."
"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."
General George S Patton
He should be held responsible for what he did. I don't think age should matter in a case like this.
He did what he did, You always have a choice i guess he chose the wrong one.
If the guy was in Wehrmacht sure let him go, but SS? Daymn, makes for a whole bigger argument for deportation.
I'm having mixed feelings about this, and definitely wouldn't want to be making the judgement on this one.
Well yes, But forced or not in the end you do still have a choice. I'm not saying i'm perfect maybe i would have done the same even ( I feel a bit weird saying that )
But fear makes you do a lot of things you normally wouldn't do. But i guess i cannot help feeling that in the end it will always be up to you.
You can always Deny can't you? You would probably die or be tortured yes. I never said it was easy, Just possible.
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Yeah it's always up to you to choose to follow orders you may or may not agree with, or along with yourself, get your entire family killed for shaming Die Mutterland. It's easy to take the moral highroad in 2012 sitting in a comfortable chair in a home in a democratically "free" society. It's a whole different story when it can cost the lives of both yourself and everyone you love.
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