From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
where did you go during woltk and cata?
you stayed on your own server , oh wait...servers no longer exist and there lies part of the problem, the only reason i mentioned the bg/ rbg thing as because thats what a pvp servver seems to be turning into now a giant uninstanced bg
There was no agreement, it was simply how things were at the time. And according to Blizzard themselves, it was broken. And now Blizzard have fixed their game to provide the experience they wanted you to have from the start. All the while, the basic PVP realm policy hasn't changed. There are still no rules, there never were. You just get ganked by more people now.
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Stopping people from mounting up is imposing rules on something that is supposed to have no rules. It's as simple as that. It might not be what you like, and that is fine. But some of us like the danger. Which is why we rolled on a no-rules realm in the first place.
Actually, watch the video not skip through it...
"Even the amount that PvP can alter the game, the PvE game in WoW, is unacceptable to us. Whenever we run into a case of this would be really awesome for PvE and then the PvP guy goes. 'That kinda screws PvP', the answer is always...'Shut up PvP Guy' lol"
From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
yes, they chose a pvp server. And ow they aren't getting a pvp server. They are getting the pvp, but not the server.
Oh you'd not win with a case for wow, it's frivilous, but for something larger theres loads of case law about. You can't provide a service for almost a decade then alter it overnight then claim you never had to provide what you had been doing. That'd be just daft.Good luck with that in court lol
Not true, at all, even a little. If you have a contract to have the newspaper delivered every morning, and your delivery boy for 8 years gets your paper to your door by 7:30 giving you plenty of time to read it while you eat breakfast and leave for work at 8:15, and then he quits and a new kid takes over, and does the route the other way meaning he doesn't reach your house until 8:30, you have no case. You're still getting your paper delivered according to the contract. You would get laughed out of court, if not charged with wasting the court's time.
There is zero legal standing for assumptions made on the part of one party with no documentation to back them up. None. Bafflingly untrue.
From the #1 Cata review on Amazon.com: "Blizzard's greatest misstep was blaming players instead of admitting their mistakes.
They've convinced half of the population that the other half are unskilled whiners, causing a permanent rift in the community."
It's funny how quickly Jay Wilson's words became law after being the most hated man in Blizzard since May. And not only that, the leading Diablo 3 developer being asked about things not in his department. If you can give me an interview with an actual WoW developer mirroring his thoughts, I'm willing to listen. Until then, your argument has no value.
False, on the face of it.
They're not getting certain things you would prefer to have regarding server community, but those were never in the agreement and aren't part of the definition of "PvP server", no matter how much you wish they were.
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No, what we have here is a case of you not reading the delivery agreement, which never stated "by 8 am", your assumption that it should is irrelevant.
By practice and the basic english definition of the word server, there is.
The agreement doesnt matter - it's a boilerplate which allows blizzard to do anything (and they are always ignored when it comes to it, boilerplates are designed to dissuade legal action, they have feck all standing precisely because they are so open ended.)
1: Your server argument is no longer valid and getting old. It's still the same RULES. The only difference is there are now more players in the dead zones, but it doesn't overload the servers. Get over it. There's no agreement that STV is gonna be empty so you can level safely, the only agreement is that you can kill people and they can kill you. And you chose that option.
2: If the contract states "we can do whatever we want and you can cancel our agreement whenever you want" 8 years of habit means nothing.
That's the deal WoW offers you.
The only thing a pvp server says is that when pvp happens it will be with people from your server.
Nothing about safety there, nothing about avoiding ganking - just that they will be people from your server.
If a contract state "we can do whatever we want" then it's completely ignored in a dispute and practice (ie. what actually has been happening) is used to resolve disputes.2: If the contract states "we can do whatever we want and you can cancel our agreement whenever you want" 8 years of habit means nothing.
That's the deal WoW offers you.
Let me break the statement down to how I see it.
First of all, Jay Wilson is the Game Director of Diablo 3. I am not aware of him being in a major position regarding the development of World of Warcraft. His statements are not the statements of the World of Warcraft development crew, nor the statements of Blizzard as a whole.
He is talking about the amount that PvP is altering the PvE game in World of Warcraft. They find it unacceptable to face a similar situation where the Diablo 3 PvE game would have to suffer from being altered due to PvP, especially in a similar amount.Even the amount that PvP can alter the game, the PvE game in WoW, is unacceptable to us.
This further elaborates the point he is making.Whenever we run into a case of this would be really awesome for PvE and then the PvP guy goes. 'That kinda screws PvP', the answer is always...'Shut up PvP Guy' lol"
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No, I do not play basketball nor any sport games but I did train judo in the past.
Getting excluded/kicked out is one thing, assaulting someone for being an asshole another thing. One of them being against the law aswell and could land you in the court. Being an asshole isn't exactly against the law. Assaulting someone on the other hand is.
People who want to assault someone over a game should seriously consider seeking help with anger management.
The only thing (well not the only, but one of them) the ToS says is we can change things however we want.
Context. It's a game. If you bring this particular case to court he will smack you in the head with the hammer and say "first world problems" and possibly even send you to jail for wasting everyone's time.If a contract state "we can do whatever we want" then it's completely ignored in a dispute and practice (ie. what actually has been happening) is used to resolve disputes.