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  1. #1601
    She is a HOE.

    She doesn't have to live with OP brother. She CHOOSES prostitute herself for money. If anyone should be ashamed it's her. I looked at the first couple comments demonizing OP brother. No, fuck that. Sure he is an asshole, douche, whatever, but her choice, her life, her responsibilities.

    I bet she thought it was going to be alright. Figured it would be a win/win. Turns out, she's ashamed for being a prostitute, and should be. Only one holding the blame should be the OP brother's roommate.

  2. #1602
    The Federal Government or Quebec(don't know quebec) could give her money to support her brother, you should get her to look into it
    Last edited by Cyrahurn; 2012-12-28 at 07:11 AM. Reason: typo

  3. #1603
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    See, we don't know whether rent was too high, or she watned more luxuries. we can;t tell with the information given. Again, if rent was too high, she could get a 2nd job, or find a cheaper place. But she CHOSE to exchange sex for money.
    you keep bringing in irrelevant details. a landlord used his position to get sex from tenants. BOOM! illegal.
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  4. #1604
    Quote Originally Posted by hellosaltygoodness View Post
    no wait, you're right. the first one you posted was about extorting sex, and when that was pointed out to be clearly describing this situation, you went and found a definition about government and police uses of coercion and posted that instead.
    Again, false. I disproved you when you called it rape, so you went with someone else about coercion, I proved that wrong, you changed it to extortion, then you changed it to something else, again. I get all my information from dictionary.com, and provide multiple parts of it. I am not sure how you think I am only including police/government uses... which this IS about the legality of his actions anyway.

  5. #1605
    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    I'm not saying she was coerced, but I do believe that even though she thought about it, the only way was to say yes, whether she wanted to or not.

    And I'd say that is atleast, to some extent, coercion or being coerced.
    I think that too much of a conclusion with the information given. Now, if we go into assumptions, then sadly it becomes much more fictional with every what if. Given with the information, OP brother's roommate is a hoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Obviously she wanted it,she was not threatened in any way to say yes thus the only source that yes could have come from is herself.
    She might not have liked it,but she still wanted to say yes.
    Just like everyone who works,they don't like their job but that doesn't mean they want to quit.
    She did not like it, but she wanted it?... what? How does that work exactly?

    The comparisons between this and a job are horribly facetious, as a job (for the most part) does not involve sex, and it is the employee who comes to the employer for a job and not the other way around.

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    she was constrained by her financial situation from saying no. the fact that she initially would not have sex with him only highlights that it was not her free will to agree, and her consent was given only due to duress. if you can't understand that using duress to wring sex out of somebody is inherently non-consensual, i don't know how to help you.
    Sums it up best, and again if you cant understand this and spout mince like "but she said yes its her choice", then you have no understanding of coercion or duress.

    Also if this was a 30yr old women doing this to an 18yr old guy. Yeh he might accept it more, but if he was objecting like she has then the same would apply, the 30yr old would still be a predator, male or female it makes no difference to me.

    Men feel emotion too and we dont like being used either, stereotypes need not apply.

  8. #1608
    Quote Originally Posted by Static Transit View Post
    This is true, but you make getting a second job or finding a cheaper place sound like it's an easy thing to do, like you can just sit your fishing pole there and get one within the hour. However, since there's not enough context, we don't know if there was some type of psychological coercion going on, and what EXACTLY transpired when this deal was sealed.
    Difficulty of jobs or places to get has nothing to do with what he did. Can you imagine this in court:

    Lawyer1- But she had other options. She could have moved out or gotten another job!

    Lawyer2- OBJECTION! GETTING A SECOND JOB IS HARD!!!! I KNOW BECAUSE I AM A BAD LAWYER!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    He implies that there is no sexual coercion because there is no rape, which he established by providing the definition for rape and using it to discount the argument (even though this would be included under duress). He has yet to counter sexual coercion without transferring it to rape instead.
    Since rape is the synonym of sexual coercion he countered both definitions?Why would he see the need to specifically use ''sexual coercion'',if no rape happened,no sexual coercion happened,is there any need to complicate things?

  10. #1610
    if the story would be true, i would hurt my brother, call police on him, and sever any ties with him.
    that is simply put a rapist brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Obviously she wanted it,she was not threatened in any way to say yes thus the only source that yes could have come from is herself.
    She might not have liked it,but she still wanted to say yes.
    Just like everyone who works,they don't like their job but that doesn't mean they want to quit.
    She said yes because she wouldn't need to spend as much money as she already was, that was the only reason she said yes.

    She didn't want the sex, she doesn't want it, she didn't want to spend more money, and a 60% "discount", for her, is good enough to trade with sex.

    She's like, being forced into accepting this because of how good the "deal" is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRebellion View Post
    Since rape is the synonym of sexual coercion he countered both definitions?Why would he see the need to specifically use ''sexual coercion'',if no rape happened,no sexual coercion happened,is there any need to complicate things?
    Nope, because the definition for rape is not all inclusive. Which is what I was discussing with the wikipedia comparison.

  13. #1613
    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    She said yes because she wouldn't need to spend as much money as she already was, that was the only reason she said yes.

    She didn't want the sex, she doesn't want it, she didn't want to spend more money, and a 60% "discount", for her, is good enough to trade with sex.

    She's like, being forced into accepting this because of how good the "deal" is.
    Yes, hence why she wasn't coerced. The money she would save is more important to her than avoiding sex with him.

  14. #1614
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckd View Post
    Sums it up best, and again if you cant understand this and spout mince like "but she said yes its her choice", then you have no understanding of coercion or duress.
    Look, if you think, a little bit of hardship, street living, homelessness, or whatever, ISN'T a better choice, then prostituting yourself. Then YOU have problems. I don't care, for whatever reasons, you want to claim coercion or duress. It's her choice in the end. Easy way out fuckers, annoy the shit out of me. I'd rather drench my eyes in lye, then prostitute myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    She did not like it, but she wanted it?... what? How does that work exactly?

    The comparisons between this and a job are horribly facetious, as a job (for the most part) does not involve sex, and it is the employee who comes to the employer for a job and not the other way around.
    Firstly don't pretend it's hard to understand you may not like something but you still want it.
    Employers also seek employees at times,this doesn't change anything.
    Porn actors and prostitutes aren't jobs according to you?Are they all just getting raped by sex starved men and the porn industry?
    One of the oldest job is probably prostitution.

  16. #1616
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Nope, because the definition for rape is not all inclusive. Which is what I was discussing with the wikipedia comparison.
    The wiki definition of rape includes coercion. But this does not matter. Here, I will fix it, she chose to have sex for money. She was not coerced sexually, or raped.

  17. #1617
    Quote Originally Posted by Majad View Post
    It does, but that doesn't mean she meant it or wanted what would happen if she said yes.
    She could have said no.

    And yes, although that was a real douchey choice to give her, would it have been any different if he offered her NO option to lower her rent, and thus she couldn't pay it and have to move? I mean, he didn't have to lower the rent at all. Most renters don't just lower the rent because someone suddenly can't pay. Usually when someone can't pay, they get evicted.

    Should he instead have just said, "Sorry, rent stays the same. That's the rule"?

    (Yes, he should have just let her stay for less/free, but why is that his obligation?)

  18. #1618
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Again, false. I disproved you when you called it rape, so you went with someone else about coercion, I proved that wrong, you changed it to extortion, then you changed it to something else, again. I get all my information from dictionary.com, and provide multiple parts of it. I am not sure how you think I am only including police/government uses... which this IS about the legality of his actions anyway.
    you never proved anything wrong. consent gained through coercive means is invalid consent. sexual activity with lack of valid consent is rape. all you've done is argue that this case does not involve coercion. and i frankly think your case for that is very weak and based on nothing but your opinion that using authority to obtain consent is only coercive if you are actively issuing threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omgodzilla View Post
    So my brother recently developed his basement and rented it out to a girl and her younger brother. She's 18 years old and her brother is only 11. Their parents died last year because of a drunk driver. The girl is very friendly, intelligent and attractive. Her brother is a good kid as well. Both of them were raised very well. She just graduated from high school and was planning on going to university. She was actually accepted into McGill University right before her parents died. She decided to put that aside and just work for now because of financial reasons. She's currently supporting both herself and her younger brother (he's in grade 6 right now).

    So my brother is 29 and works as a chemical engineer. His own financial situation is great and so he decided to reduce the girl's rent if she were to do some "favours" for him. He agreed to reduce her rent by 60% if she slept with him once a week. I wasn't there when he asked her this but from what my brother told me, she was very reluctant. She's a very sweet young girl who doesn't approach sex casually. Eventually she agreed to doing this because of her financial difficulties.

    My brother just told me this yesterday. He says its been going on for the last month and he doesn't plan on stopping. He apparently enjoys his time with her but I don't think that feeling is reciprocated. I noticed that recently, she has been feeling very uncomfortable around my brother. Whenever they are in the same room, she doesn't look at him and appears very nervous and awkward.

    I can't help but feel bad for her. As I said, she's a very nice young girl and has gone through alot in the past year. Having to stay strong for her brother after her parents died must have been really difficult. Having to sleep with my brother who isn't exactly an attractive guy (He's almost 300 pounds and hasn't had a girlfriend in his life) must take alot of strength as well. My brother thinks that he's doing her a favour by taking her rent down so much. I don't really know what to feel about this. Should I just back off and let them continue on with this?
    ok i clicked to see this thread because i thought i would read something funny, if the original poster is true, the mmo-champion website and admins should report this to the police because
    1) this is a type of rape (rapes are not just forced with strength but also with blackmail) and noone can prove that if the girl denied it the fat guy wouldn't have thrown her out or raised up the rent. Even more, the fat guy, when he saw the girl frightened about that proposition, he may even had her blackmailed that it's sex and discount or the highway. You can't know what happened and for sure the fat pig would never say the whole truth to his brother right? And yes in theory the girl had a choice, to lose a house , stay on the streets and lose her brother to the social worker care or what's called. The more i think it the more i want to go and break his jaw about this matter...
    2) the brother of the original thread author is an immoral pig who should be at least spit upon and be known to his co-workers and friends that he is a sexual abuser. This is also how rapists happen, the sweetness these pigs feel start from smaller issues like this.
    3) the original author of this thread should also be spit upon for not having the morality to slap his brother to senses and discuss this with his family at least.

    Here, I will fix it, she chose to have sex for money
    Wait , so the girl is the bad here? Of course the women are the wrong right? It is so nice to say your opinion from your pc when you never lived possibly in bad situations. You should have said "The fat pig chose his dick over his morality and even loves his decision". Because the girl doesn't really have options here..unless she wants to lose her brother to an orphanage..
    Last edited by voskopoula; 2012-12-28 at 07:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellosaltygoodness View Post
    you never proved anything wrong. consent gained through coercive means is invalid consent. sexual activity with lack of valid consent is rape. all you've done is argue that this case does not involve coercion. and i frankly think your case for that is very weak and based on nothing but your opinion that using authority to obtain consent is only coercive if you are actively issuing threats.
    How was she coerced, when she had two other options she could have chosen, without him incurring any type of consequence upon her? If she said no, she would have beeen responsible for paying the original amount. YOU are suing opinion, I am using dictionary definitions.

    I like the expression "everyone has a price" ... hers apparently for sex is 60% of her rent. That money she saved is obviously more important to her than dignity, or avoiding sex with him.

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