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  1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by RicardoZ View Post
    Yea...communism pretty much sucks. I know it's all fashionable for Americans and Europeans kids to like it and wear Che Guevara t-shirts and everything and be rebellious against capitalism, but...Communism really REALLY sucks.
    People wear these because they look good and not to rebell agains capitalism lol.
    Thats like saying people wear Keffiyeh to proclaim their muslim alignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origano View Post
    Berlin's Wall says otherwise.
    No not really. Those are matters of geoeconomics of massive importance. Little to do with the quality of life and economics of a single state.

  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Science is all about making a hypothesis and then testing it. It's a bit silly to say making the hypothesis is a huge accomplishment in science, but the testing of the hypothesis isn't.
    You misunderstand. The existence of the Higgs boson was all but accepted because the hypothesis, so to speak, was tested and shown to be persuasive. We just don't have any direct observational evidence of the particle itself, until now.

  4. #424
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikiy View Post
    By what logic?
    By calling the civilized world greedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    The food shortage alone tells me that communism didn't work for your country. If you have a full belly, you are warm at night and are entertained, you really have a good life.
    You sir are a fool, If you dont understand what happened in the cold war then dont speak.

    As for communism, i believe communism is a good thing, i however will never trust any 1 person to guide over it all and even if we get 1 good leager to begin with there will always be an evil person looking for power ready to swoop in and ruin it all, if you could find a way to prevent this, i would subcribe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semaphore View Post
    You misunderstand. The existence of the Higgs boson was all but accepted because the hypothesis, so to speak, was tested and shown to be persuasive. We just don't have any direct observational evidence of the particle itself, until now.
    He probably does not understand what a scientific hypothesis is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    By calling the civilized world greedy.
    I'm not saying the whole civilized world is greedy, I'm saying the social system that is capitalism is wholly reliant on people being greedy.

    And your logic must suck really bad if you think that's racism. Even if i said the Western world is greedy, it wouldn't be racism because i'm not discriminating against any racial group. So please, learn what the word means rather than than defending someone who's using a cheap opportunity to personally attack me for absolutely no reason.

    Edit: I'd also like to add i was referring to Sweden as an example of a country that has more people that are altruistic enough for communism than those that are greedy enough for capitalism. Not a pseudo-communist totalitarian system like China or North Korea for which we have no idea how altruistic people are there. So i wasn't even drawing a West-East parallel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    He probably does not understand what a scientific hypothesis is
    You probably don't know me or anything about me.
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  9. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    You know, Cold War and all... Misinformation... Could it not be?
    No, it's not. Some people just don't realized how bad it was, because they were likely party members and/or snitches. Like the people that used to run the stores in my town. They stole stuff and used to treat people like shit, because they had a little power. Now i can just walk 3 minutes to the next store, but when everything is state owned? What then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    By calling the civilized world greedy.
    And it's not more racist to label a part of the world civilized?

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    You can easily compare greed levels of a country by looking at it and comparing its debt levels to a poor country. Lets say America - Africa, if Africa was given 15 trillion dollers to fix its house and basically copy America in every sense, to build proper hospitals schools and businesses, how many lives would be saved and changed for ever. This is a good comparison because you can say well look at the huge contrast, in the two look at what could happen and how many lives could be saved.

    I would not say its greed, i would say they dont want to know, they know but they dont want to know, because if its not staring you in the face you dont care about it, so lets fix what we ca see and what we are responsible, in communism i believe they have a different method, which is everyone stands together and instand one 1 continent having 15 trillion in debt they each have 7.5, and they work for they basis.

    but as i said i would not rush into communism by any stretch of the imagination.

  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    You probably don't know me or anything about me.
    If you had won the Sakurai Prize twice and said something stupid i would still call you out.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by haxartus View Post
    The problem with this is that the standard of living in some of the Soviet block countries was supported by the... Soviet Union. Loans that were not expected to be paid back, gifts of petrol, other resources and weapons, which were often sold illegally for cash, etc. This stuff had to come from somewhere, which means that the Soviets sacrificed their own economy to artificially support the Soviet block for decades.
    All of this stopped with the Cold War measures to cripple the Soviet economy, which crippled the Soviet block countries and led to the fall of economies which couldn't support themselves and couldn't adapt to the free market environment.
    You currently get a lot of money from the EU (which you can't seem to spend properly so they freeze future projects), and your workforce productivity level is higher than before. Your current problem is not economical, it's political. The people who rule the country can't do their job better.
    Which is kinda the same that happens with the world giving loans to US that no one really forces the US to pay back.

    Lets not forget that US had the biggest external debt per capita before the big European Crisis.

    The problem with Capitalism is that is better for a few, and worse for another few.

    The problem with communisn is that is to prone to corruption and corrupted leaders can subjugate their people easier.

    The problem with capitalism is that the power tends to end in economic groups, that cant be changed by the people even if they wanted to, goverments often have to concede things to this economic powers and they get "commisions" in exchange.

    Free market is a lie, not even US have complete free market, the probelm is that the controls on the markets need to be balanced.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    And it's not more racist to label a part of the world civilized?
    Oh it for sure is racist especially with my intent behind it, that does not mean his statement isnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superp View Post
    You can easily compare greed levels of a country by looking at it and comparing its debt levels to a poor country. Lets say America - Africa, if Africa was given 15 trillion dollers to fix its house and basically copy America in every sense, to build proper hospitals schools and businesses, how many lives would be saved and changed for ever. This is a good comparison because you can say well look at the huge contrast, in the two look at what could happen and how many lives could be saved.

    I would not say its greed, i would say they dont want to know, they know but they dont want to know, because if its not staring you in the face you dont care about it, so lets fix what we ca see and what we are responsible, in communism i believe they have a different method, which is everyone stands together and instand one 1 continent having 15 trillion in debt they each have 7.5, and they work for they basis.

    but as i said i would not rush into communism by any stretch of the imagination.
    If you gave $15 trillion to Africa, you'd be $15 trillion poorer and nothing significant would change for Africa. Africa's problems aren't from a lack of money. They're from cultural issues and a hostile environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    If you had won the Sakurai Prize twice and said something stupid i would still call you out.
    Calling me stupid and making baseless assumptions about my understanding of science doesn't really serve to make a point.
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  16. #436
    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    He probably does not understand what a scientific hypothesis is
    Eh, a bit uncalled for; I'm sure Reeve understands it. It's just very intuitive to think that it's existence is only proven (in the lay sense) when scientists say they discovered it. Of course, physicists were looking for it because they agree it existed from maths done 5 decades ago, but yeah.

  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    Calling me stupid and making baseless assumptions about my understanding of science doesn't really serve to make a point.
    Saying something stupid does not make you stupid which actually was implied by the first part of my sentence.
    I can for certain say something about your reading comprehension now though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deafknight View Post
    Oh it for sure is racist especially with my intent behind it, that does not mean his statement isnt.
    My statement isn't racist for other reasons. I replied why but apparently it's too hard to explain your logic as to why it's racist. Oh, wait, yeah, there is no logic behind it and you were fishing for an easy ad hominem.

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    Communism/Socialism is for the people not the Communist/Socialist. They grow fat while the people have to contend with the mandates of the Government. For example the people have to wait in line to get food or clothes where as the leaders have it brought to them and do not have to ration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdbjr3314 View Post
    Communism/Socialism is for the people not the Communist/Socialist. They grow fat while the people have to contend with the mandates of the Government. For example the people have to wait in line to get food or clothes where as the leaders have it brought to them and do not have to ration.
    Meanwhile in Capitalism leaders live with the exact same style of living than their people, right?

    There isnt a single rich leader while people in his country die of hunger, right?

    Want to know a funny thing? No one dies of hunger in Cuba for example (and by this i dont say Cuba is perfect), while plenty of people dies of hunger in every single capitalist country you can name.

    Capitalysm has its problems, many of them, but social injustice is nto one of them, Capitalysm has by farm a lot more social injustice.

    The biggest problem of Communism is lack of freedom.
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