So many things to correct. First of all the crazy man who opened the portal saved your ass. If he did not open the portal the burning legion would have wiped the floor with you. The Centaurs were committing genocide of taurens, not the other way around. The humans betrayed the undead and not the other way around. If you don't think goblins oust anybody you got another thing coming. They will oust anyone as long as they can get money out of it. The horde helped fight of the burning crusade, it is as much theirs as it is yours now. Learn how to share.
Time...line? Time isn't made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round. ~ Caboose
Yes, it does mean. It's how it works.
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Yet, she didn't do it. Meaning the "attempt" word is utterly wrong. She thought until the last minute.
Again, we don't condemn people based on thoughts and ideas.
Last edited by mmoc516e31a976; 2013-01-06 at 03:43 AM.
Attempt 1: to make an effort to do, accomplish, solve, or effect <attempted to swim the swollen river>
Words don't change meaning just because you don't like the implication. Jaina made an effort to commit genocide. Therefore, Jaina attempted genocide.
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Your hypocrisy is so glaringly obvious. How can she be guilty of attempted murder but not genocide? Kalec talked her out of both actions.
Words have context, the context that you are clearly ignoring for argument sake, because "accomplish, solve, or effect" pretty much show what it means.
She stopped. Her "effort" ended. She can't be condemn for an action that she didn't finished.
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Do you even know the difference between acting and not acting? She DID assaulted Thrall, she DIDN'T release the Tsunami.
Last edited by mmoc516e31a976; 2013-01-06 at 03:50 AM.
She did release the tsunami. Thrall held it back with air spirits.
Attempt crimes are crimes where the defendant's actions have the form of the actual enaction of the crime itself: the actions must go beyond mere preparation.
Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-01-06 at 03:54 AM.
Maybe you should read that part.
Thrall and Kalec showing up make abandonment no longer a valid defense.Abandonment can also be a defense to either element (mens rea or actus reus) of attempt, if the defendant "walks away" from the crime.
However, many jurisdictions do not recognize abandonment. Courts that do recognize this defense generally apply it only where the defendant completely and voluntarily renounces any criminal purpose (Understanding Criminal Law, J. Dressler, 2006). However, the abandonment is not complete and voluntary where the defendant desists from criminal efforts due to unexpected resistance (e.g., from victims), the discovery of the absence of an instrumentality needed for the completion of the offense, or other circumstances that increase the probability of arrest, or decrease the probability of successful completion of the crime (e.g. proximate arrival of police). Abandonment is also invalid where the defendant simply postpones the criminal plan until another time.
Under the Model Penal Code, the defendant is not guilty of an attempt if they (1) abandon the effort to commit the crime or prevent the crime from being committed, and (2) their behavior manifests a complete and voluntary renunciation of the criminal purpose (MPC § 5.01(4)). However, the renunciation not complete if motivated in whole or part by one of the following:
They postpone the criminal conduct to a more advantageous time, or to transfer the criminal effort to another but similar objective or victim.
They are merely reacting to circumstances that increase the probability of detection or apprehension.
They are reacting to a change in circumstances that makes the crime harder to commit.
By the time attitudes about the undead had changed enough that DKs could be accepted into the Alliance, any bridges between the Alliance and the Forsaken had been long burned. There's probably not any reason that an undead of free will not raised by a Sylvannas nor loyal to the horde before the death of Arthas could be taken into the Alliance now from a lore standpoint. It's just a game mechanic that all playable Forsaken are either one or the other.
Also wiping out an enemy city =/= genocide. If it was, then the mana bomb on Theramore was actual genocide.
Last edited by Herrenos; 2013-01-06 at 04:01 AM.
Read the ALL of the "Model Penal Code". Stop picking up just parts that makes your "argument".
Thrall failed to stop her, Kalec simply talked her out. She abandon, by herself, the effort to commit the crime. All she can be accused is of attempted murder.
Anyway, this is pointless, we will keep talking in circles.
I honestly thought Dk's were dead , but got their souls back when frostmourne shattered. Corpses but ones with souls, not unlike sylvanas. Forsaken have no souls apparently as they are just rezzed corpses.
Especially when you offer no direct evidence. All you are doing is "look at this". You are not showing the evidence or describing how it supports your side. I'm not going to research your arguments for you.
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So when an armed robber is talked down by the police, that's completely fine? No harm, no foul?
Jaina was guilty of theft from the blue dragonflight and Dalaran. That is all.