Is this not total bs?

[Kraenen]

Exactly. If you cant afford the tip you have no buisness buying the product.

you do know what a tip is, right? hint: it's not the cost of the pizza.

[Iamanerd]

Dalent I feel for you man, I worked in food service a bit in HS and it sucks. Also ignore the ignorant people who clearly don't live in America here and the people who are selfish and don't tip.

[Mifuyne]

Exactly. If you cant afford the tip you have no buisness buying the product.

Where is the official rule that you HAVE to tip for something like a pizza?

Dalent I feel for you man, I worked in food service a bit in HS and it sucks. Also ignore the ignorant people who clearly don't live in America here and the people who are selfish and don't tip.

Selfish? hardly.
It's your shit systems fault for not paying you minimum wage.

What I really liked was the not-so-veiled government bashing Mifuyne added. Mmmm gotta love that.

Are we the ones whining for tips? no.
Are we demanding it? no.
It is your governments fault, not the customers.
If you see that as "government bashing" that is your problem.

[Taotaisei]

Yeesh, that's a lot of pizza! It may be uncool that they didn't tip, but some people don't care to do it. End of story. You can't "raise awareness" about something the majority of people don't care about. Just be happy you have a job. States like PA, USA have a right to work tax: just to have a job, you have to pay the state.

What I really liked was the not-so-veiled government bashing Mifuyne added. Mmmm gotta love that.

P.S. I do tip. It's a social contract in the majority of locations I have lived in the USA and Canada.

[BreathTaker]

I guess the guy who took pizzas was ashamed of the move but was not the one in charge of the money :S
Poor one. I hate when i don't have enough for a good tip, and prefer to let others pay in such case TT.
I'd like the tips to never exist, and be included in the price, too bad this is not comming

[LilSaihah]

Hahaha, tipping culture. Poor America. I wonder how much of the rest of the world tips, and if not much, whether it's just another thing like the Imperial system.

[Deleted]

In socialist Europe, you are paid by your employer not by the customer.

[Potato Bus]

I have to ask... Why didn't the person who took the order tack on a gratuity? I work at a campus pizza shop myself, and with bulk orders we always tell them they will need to add a tip or that gratuity will be added to the bill (usually the manager's decision on how much that would be per order). Most restaurants add gratuity on tables of 8 or more, and I've found that on orders larger than 10 pizzas, gratuity is usually added (hell, I think our owner tips out the delivery drivers for Frat/Sorority orders just for being able to provide delivery service on a large chunk of business rather than missing out on it to another place).

[BreathTaker]

Let's all stop tipping, then all the delivery-guys and such will consider their salary not enough and will leave if their employee does not change the mechanics!
To continue their business running they'll have to put the tip cost in the product price and the problem solved!
Profit?

[Xanjori]

In socialist Europe, you are paid by your employer not by the customer.

That made me laugh, but its pretty true, IIRC its also US law that they make sure your wage meets minimum wage if you don't receive enough tips, just most employers don't because I guess most employee's wont take up the issue with them.

[Reverence]

Yeesh, that's a lot of pizza! It may be uncool that they didn't tip, but some people don't care to do it. End of story. You can't "raise awareness" about something the majority of people don't care about. Just be happy you have a job. States like PA, USA have a right to work tax: just to have a job, you have to pay the state.

What I really liked was the not-so-veiled government bashing Mifuyne added. Mmmm gotta love that.

P.S. I do tip. It's a social contract in the majority of locations I have lived in the USA and Canada.

Ive taken a few orders where there was no tip, really not a big deal to me because for everyone 1 person who feels that tipping is bad there are 20 others who understand that tipping is like you said, a social contract. Its not so much a campaign to raise awareness moreso than a campaign to show the ridiculouness of spending $1300 on delivery and having the balls to tell the delivery driver that they dont tip.

[Iamanerd]

Where is the official rule that you HAVE to tip for something like a pizza?



Selfish? hardly.
It's your shit systems fault for not paying you minimum wage.


Are we the ones whining for tips? no.
Are we demanding it? no.
It is your governments fault, not the customers.
If you see that as "government bashing" that is your problem.

While it maybe a government I'm associated with it's not "mine". Also if you don't live here and understand how our tipping culture works, why bothering having any input in it? Other than to of course annoy some people who have to make ends meet while in school? I tip because I no the bullshit they deal with and there's not much they can do to change it when they have to meet ends meet. There's no room to be picky when tight on cash.

[Deleted]

I always tip, even when it's not required. I'll make an exception with bad service, but otherwise I always make sure to brighten someones day with a little extra. Heck, it only benefits me in the long run. The delivery boy from the Pizza place two blocks from here is paid compensation when/if not tipped so tipping is far from mandatory, but I always tip him roughly 20%. In compensation, I usually recieve little gifts and such once in a while. It also helps to be friendly towards the owner and becomming a regular (I have yet to eat a better fastfood than Pasta Cabonara made from scrach which they do). I've had experiences from being invited to the kitchen to watch them prepeare my food, had them deliver wine on my B-day for free and such.

It's one of the (few) upsides of a tipping culture. When you stop seeing it as a mandatory burden and consider it a chance to earn special previledges if you're friendly enough - you're set for gold =D

[Mifuyne]

Its not so much a campaign to raise awareness moreso than a campaign to show the ridiculouness of spending $1300 on delivery and having the balls to tell the delivery driver that they dont tip.

You still get minimum wage I assume.
Why would they tip for something they fully paid for?
Are you seriously whining about regular people not tipping you, while your company/government takes a shit on your face?
Better use that "social awareness" to change the system and not the victims, which would be the customer.

While it maybe a government I'm associated with it's not "mine". Also if you don't live here and understand how our tipping culture works, why bothering having any input in it? Other than to of course annoy some people who have to make ends meet while in school? I tip because I no the bullshit they deal with and there's not much they can do to change it when they have to meet ends meet. There's no room to be picky when tight on cash.

So because I don't live in your country, I am not allowed to express my thoughts?
You act as if your "tipping" society is a blessing of god of some sort.
Can't change it? With enough support you can.

Hell, even I tip sometimes while it isn't even close to socially acceptable here.
I would gladly give some extra money to a person or company that does their job well, without asking for extra money.

[Deleted]

Ive taken a few orders where there was no tip, really not a big deal to me because for everyone 1 person who feels that tipping is bad there are 20 others who understand that tipping is like you said, a social contract.

This is the problem to start with. The customer shouldn't be left with bad conscience for starters if he/she can't give the tip or the fear that he/she will not get such a good service next time because of this. This system of yours supports bribery and those who tend to tip or leave a good mark of them as "good customer" get better/faster service even though the service should always be good as a standard. It's this system that keeps you americans whining about the tip so go figure

ps. I only give money for the poor people. Not the ones who want's new iPhone.

[Kraenen]

Ive taken a few orders where there was no tip, really not a big deal to me because for everyone 1 person who feels that tipping is bad there are 20 others who understand that tipping is like you said, a social contract. Its not so much a campaign to raise awareness moreso than a campaign to show the ridiculouness of spending $1300 on delivery and having the balls to tell the delivery driver that they dont tip.

that doesn't take balls. spending a small amount and not tipping is lame, but how about you consider the person that just spent 1300 dollars on pizza. do you think they have enough left over to tip 100 more dollars? Conceited.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Exactly. If you cant afford the tip you have no buisness buying the product.

Tip (gratuity), a voluntary additional payment made for services rendered

If I can afford the product, I can afford the product. My budget does not need to include, nor should it ever include, paying for the product + your wage.

You're making it sound like people owe you whats supposed to be a voluntary (not mandatory) payment. If you're not happy with the uncertainty of getting tipped or not, and whether that's going to make or break your budget each month; then perhaps it's time to find a job where the money you make is consistent from week to week.

Edit: I live in Canada, and this isn't to say that I don't tip - but you shouldn't expect it. If a tip isn't voluntary, then it's not a tip anymore.

[Reverence]

You still get minimum wage I assume.
Why would they tip for something they fully paid for?
Are you seriously whining about regular people not tipping you, while your company/government takes a shit on your face?
Better use that "social awareness" to change the system and not the victims, which would be the customer.

Dont even try to turn this into a discussion about governments. Do you yourself honestly believe that a delivery driver's wage pays for the following; gas, incurance, maintenance? If you have the time i can break the numbers down for you to see.

[Fateq]

Its still just cheap if you dont tip, thats how its always been. I dont think the employers are ever going to change.

No, that is not how it has always been, unless you're speaking exclusively for America. They even discouraged me from tipping the other week as they didn't receive the money themselves.

[Deleted]

that doesn't take balls. spending a small amount and not tipping is lame, but how about you consider the person that just spent 1300 dollars on pizza. do you think they have enough left over to tip 100 more dollars? Conceited.

Actually just giving the 1300 dollars to his/hers employee making them happy I think - it should be them who gives the bonuses for their workers, not the customers.