Poll: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

  1. #8801
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I don't know who Ted Talks is, and do not in any way recognize his validity. If you want to use an external source, try to use one that I care about. And if you want to asset that research is not based first and foremost on discovering and removing drugs with potential lethal side effects, perhaps you should do some research on your own besides cruising through circle-jerking web blogs.
    Translation: "No matter how valid your point may be, I do not know it therefore I am ignorant to it. Please agree with me or fuck off".

  2. #8802
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    ATFE does annual inspections on large dealers, at a minimum they do every dealer each 3 years to renew the license. The folks doing this are not law enforcement officers (not allowed to have guns), but they are ATF agents. There IS a limit that they cannot inspect more than once a year without cause, but with a proper cause they can inspect at will.

    I've DONE the inventory with them before. They match each gun to each spot in the book. You are misinformed.
    do you have any experience/insight on gun shows and the like? ive heard bad things about them, but i honestly dont know much at all about them at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    You're extremely well spaced reply really didn't address anything I've tried to address. Not everyone has the ability to bolt a safe. Even if we ignore the financial level of the whole debate; there still hasn't been an acknowledgement that there should be a look at the legal issue some people have with this "proper level" of security. It's very easy to smugly say that if they can't have a safe they can't have a gun, but you can only do that if once again you wish to ignore the ramifications and context such things actually express.

    In short, you and anyone else would be saying that people who live in condos or apartments are people who are not worthy enough to protect themselves because of their financial or economical level. That's a pretty shitty thing to be proclaiming.

    Listen, I get it and I agree. Weapons should be in safe locations. However, the means available to 1 person aren't always available to another, and unless you can address everyone from an college student to a 80 year old retiree, you're idealizing out a vast number of people from being able to reasonably provide personal defense and protection. That's a very dire problem to much of these broad stroke opinions on firearms in general. Either people are personalizing or narrowing ideas down to extremely limited cases or situations while ignoring the general populace.
    Well there are always going to be negative effects of such a huge amount of firearms.

    Enforce safes and 'discriminate' against certain people or leave things as they are and let hundreds of thousands of legally obtained firearms filter into the criminal community to be used and discarded or sold.

    I know there is at least one other British gun owner here that feels similarly to me, in that if you can't properly secure your weapons you simply shouldn't be allowed them.

    Besides, if the 2A is really about civilians having access to firearms as a means to prevent tyrannical government, I have no idea how that translates to using firearms to defend yourself against civilians.
    If that's the case then there should be safes and firearms provided by the government to fulfill those rights and a box of sealed ammunition that's checked quarterly to ensure it hasn't been used, or at least have it so like in the UK you can be spot checked at any time to make sure your firearms are in your safe etc.
    Pretty sure that's how it is in Switzerland, allbeit different reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaggySweetness View Post
    Translation: "No matter how valid your point may be, I do not know it therefore I am ignorant to it. Please agree with me or fuck off".
    By all means, if he is a professional in the field please share with me Ted Talks credentials, and then I shall address them. Until then, I'm going to be sticking with things like.... a basic fundamental knowledge of the drug research process within the United States, as is controlled and regulated by the FDA. Actually.... just tell me what an NDA is and what it entails without having to google it, and I'll be moderately happy with just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I don't know who Ted Talks is, and do not in any way recognize his validity. If you want to use an external source, try to use one that I care about. And if you want to asset that research is not based first and foremost on discovering and removing drugs with potential lethal side effects, perhaps you should do some research on your own besides cruising through circle-jerking web blogs.
    WOW, with a stellar attitude and educational response as that, I'm just at a complete surprise at why so many of your comments and replies to others seems so... oh man what's the word.... Smart... yeah that's it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_talks

  6. #8806
    Quote Originally Posted by Commissarr View Post
    Well there are always going to be negative effects of such a huge amount of firearms.

    Enforce safes and 'discriminate' against certain people or leave things as they are and let hundreds of thousands of legally obtained firearms filter into the criminal community to be used and discarded or sold.

    I know there is at least one other British gun owner here that feels similarly to me, in that if you can't properly secure your weapons you simply shouldn't be allowed them.

    Besides, if the 2A is really about civilians having access to firearms as a means to prevent tyrannical government, I have no idea how that translates to using firearms to defend yourself against civilians.
    If that's the case then there should be safes and firearms provided by the government to fulfill those rights and a box of sealed ammunition that's checked quarterly to ensure it hasn't been used, or at least have it so like in the UK you can be spot checked at any time to make sure your firearms are in your safe etc.
    Pretty sure that's how it is in Switzerland, allbeit different reasoning.
    What about all those "legally obtained" (by the US government) that were the illegally sold (by the US government) to known criminal organizations? See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

    Wiki not good enough? How about L.A. Times? http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec...rious-20121220

    Still not enough? How about the Department of Justice review? http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/2012/s1209.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
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  7. #8807
    Quote Originally Posted by Commissarr View Post
    Well there are always going to be negative effects of such a huge amount of firearms.

    Enforce safes and 'discriminate' against certain people or leave things as they are and let hundreds of thousands of legally obtained firearms filter into the criminal community to be used and discarded or sold.

    I know there is at least one other British gun owner here that feels similarly to me, in that if you can't properly secure your weapons you simply shouldn't be allowed them.

    Besides, if the 2A is really about civilians having access to firearms as a means to prevent tyrannical government, I have no idea how that translates to using firearms to defend yourself against civilians.
    If that's the case then there should be safes and firearms provided by the government to fulfill those rights and a box of sealed ammunition that's checked quarterly to ensure it hasn't been used, or at least have it so like in the UK you can be spot checked at any time to make sure your firearms are in your safe etc.
    Pretty sure that's how it is in Switzerland, allbeit different reasoning.
    People illegally obtaining weapons will happen with safe enforcement or without. With gun bans or without. There's too many ways to illegally obtain a weapon. The reason rules like this couldn't be enforced is that it would infringe on peoples right to privacy. Police or other would have to enter your home on a regular basis, and check into your personal life and property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commissarr View Post
    Well there are always going to be negative effects of such a huge amount of firearms.

    Enforce safes and 'discriminate' against certain people or leave things as they are and let hundreds of thousands of legally obtained firearms filter into the criminal community to be used and discarded or sold.

    I know there is at least one other British gun owner here that feels similarly to me, in that if you can't properly secure your weapons you simply shouldn't be allowed them.

    Besides, if the 2A is really about civilians having access to firearms as a means to prevent tyrannical government, I have no idea how that translates to using firearms to defend yourself against civilians.
    If that's the case then there should be safes and firearms provided by the government to fulfill those rights and a box of sealed ammunition that's checked quarterly to ensure it hasn't been used, or at least have it so like in the UK you can be spot checked at any time to make sure your firearms are in your safe etc.
    Pretty sure that's how it is in Switzerland, allbeit different reasoning.
    Well there is still this huge disconnect here. I'm not going to discuss the 2A as it's already been done by the Supreme Court. That information is out there, public and free.

    I agree with the right to carry. The right to carry being allowed to people answers the whole "locked up in a secure safe" issue that most people in lower economic levels suffer from. While I understand that doesn't really make sense or fly to people from England, I don't really follow the whole concept the UK has against self defense anyway so neither of us actually agree with "reasonable" limitations enforced by the others government.

  9. #8809
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    By all means, if he is a professional in the field please share with me Ted Talks credentials, and then I shall address them. Until then, I'm going to be sticking with things like.... a basic fundamental knowledge of the drug research process within the United States, as is controlled and regulated by the FDA. Actually.... just tell me what an NDA is and what it entails without having to google it, and I'll be moderately happy with just that.
    I'm not entitled to have to prove anything to you, other than to disprove your points in an argument. The only thing you've proven to me so far is your ignorance and a strong will to have a closed mind.

  10. #8810
    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    Well there is still this huge disconnect here. I'm not going to discuss the 2A as it's already been done by the Supreme Court. That information is out there, public and free.

    I agree with the right to carry. The right to carry being allowed to people answers the whole "locked up in a secure safe" issue that most people in lower economic levels suffer from. While I understand that doesn't really make sense or fly to people from England, I don't really follow the whole concept the UK has against self defense anyway so neither of us actually agree with "reasonable" limitations enforced by the others government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh would you now? It truly is amazing how many heroic people we have wasting their time on internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    Well there is still this huge disconnect here. I'm not going to discuss the 2A as it's already been done by the Supreme Court. That information is out there, public and free.

    I agree with the right to carry. The right to carry being allowed to people answers the whole "locked up in a secure safe" issue that most people in lower economic levels suffer from. While I understand that doesn't really make sense or fly to people from England, I don't really follow the whole concept the UK has against self defense anyway so neither of us actually agree with "reasonable" limitations enforced by the others government.
    The problem with the UK, is that many of their citizens have been PUNISHED for defending themselves against criminals. That is ridiculous in every way in my eyes.

  12. #8812
    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    do you have any experience/insight on gun shows and the like? ive heard bad things about them, but i honestly dont know much at all about them at all.
    Sure, worked plenty of shows over the years. Only in south/mid florida though. Most gunshows here are dominated by 3-4 large firearms dealers, with another 15+ small dealers that are more specialized, and the rest of the show is ammo/holsters/airsoft stuff. South Florida has "no private sales at gun shows", mid does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    WOW, with a stellar attitude and educational response as that, I'm just at a complete surprise at why so many of your comments and replies to others seems so... oh man what's the word.... Smart... yeah that's it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_talks
    Thank you, was that really so hard? As for my response to that, I think that another has already covered my response fluidly.

    Andrew Jack in the Financial Times called it "an intense and a depressing read – both for the facts outlined but also the limited nuance." He wrote that "Goldacre is at his best in methodically dissecting poor clinical trials. He rightly stresses the im*portance of transparency so that third parties can pore over the data independently. ... He is less strong in ex*plaining the complex background reality, such as the general constraints and individual slips of regulators and pharma companies' employees. Nor is he able to assess the net impact of the current system: how many lives have been improved compared with those hurt by the current, if imperfect system, which has led to extraordinary new treatments in recent years for HIV, rheumatoid arthritis and cancer."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaggySweetness View Post
    I'm not entitled to have to prove anything to you, other than to disprove your points in an argument. The only thing you've proven to me so far is your ignorance and a strong will to have a closed mind.
    If that is your opinion, than by all means carry on. I apologize for upsetting you by repeatedly debunking your posts.

  14. #8814
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    Sure, worked plenty of shows over the years. Only in south/mid florida though. Most gunshows here are dominated by 3-4 large firearms dealers, with another 15+ small dealers that are more specialized, and the rest of the show is ammo/holsters/airsoft stuff. South Florida has "no private sales at gun shows", mid does not.
    the main thing i hear about is gun sales bypassing background checks or "cooling off periods". is there truth to this, or do they have to maintain local laws, or what?
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  15. #8815
    Quote Originally Posted by Priestiality View Post
    UK Self Defence Lessons: Step 1: Curl into ball on ground. Step 2: Hope you don't die.
    lol pretty much. I'm one of those people who actually wanted to try to understand the other side of the pond and where they were coming from on this whole gun debate. So I took the time to poke around on google and see what the self defense laws were in the UK and get a feeling for how or why the ban was passed for them. The more I read about what you are and are not allowed to carry or do in a defense situation in public is fucking awful. That being said, it is my personal opinion. Reading how their system works did at least give me the insight or understanding as to why I (or Americans) seem so "crazy" to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FusedMass View Post
    I can bring up some very interesting quotes from Ronald Reagan who repeated numerous several times his support and tons of Republicans worship him to this very day so don't act like this is a party issue.
    Honestly, please shut the fuck up about St. Reagan. You only dig up his corpse when he is of convenience to your argument. I don't know a person alive that worships him.
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  17. #8817
    Quote Originally Posted by smelltheglove View Post
    the main thing i hear about is gun sales bypassing background checks or "cooling off periods". is there truth to this, or do they have to maintain local laws, or what?
    This is an issue with the ATF and Federal laws being circumvented because they are too fucking lazy to fix their own problem. The "loop hole" comes from State laws allowing for a private sale of a firearm to another person without a background check.

    Now there is a stipulation for this that is written in code already. The issue is that they didn't clean up the law to regulate tax records. If you are an FFL dealer, no matter what state you are in, you are not allowed to sale a weapon without a background check. What the "problem" is are the people who make a living going from state to state with the no background private sale and making a living at doing it. This is actually in violation of the Federal code but the ATF is too fucking lazy or incapable of working with the IRS to put these fuckers in prison.

  18. #8818
    The more I read about what you are and are not allowed to carry or do in a defense situation in public is fucking awful
    Please tell me what you cant do in self defence in the UK, because you can do anything other than brandish a weapon, at which point it just became assault.

  19. #8819
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    If that is your opinion, than by all means carry on. I apologize for upsetting you by repeatedly debunking your posts.
    Maybe you should "explain" that as well. Last I saw you agreed with me that something shouldn't be punished because :1 person out of 100,000" had a bad effect. The same exact argument we people defending the right to bear arms is making, that every law abiding citizen shouldn't be punished for the actions of a few.

  20. #8820
    Quote Originally Posted by Xanjori View Post
    Please tell me what you cant do in self defence in the UK, because you can do anything other than brandish a weapon, at which point it just became assault.
    You're allowed to curl into a ball and hope you don't die. I already pointed that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGravemind View Post
    If I was in his boots (and forced to join the SS in 1939 or whenever he joined), I would have tried to liberate the camp myself or die trying. He did not. He traded his life for the life of thousands of people, thus he should face the consequences
    Quote Originally Posted by Proberly View Post
    Oh would you now? It truly is amazing how many heroic people we have wasting their time on internet.

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