Why are women so afraid

[Sorrior]

Insanity doesn't just include *rape*. It means a lot of things. It probably is power for some but not everyone. As for hormones taking over well personally I can't say that would happen to me but I'm not sure if I believe the hormone overpowering reason.

Actually even my therapist agrees sometimes hormones just get to be too much for some men..Imagine no porn OR sex or jacking off PERIOD for your entire life and tell me you might not go insane if you saw a woman for the first time.

Ok bad VERY extremist example but it still is a way of saying that even though it is EXTREMES rare it CAN happen.

[Tinykong]

Do you just jerk of on the spot when you get turned down? I'm pretty sure that's sexual harassment of some sort. *No, I don't want to anymore.- Ok, i'll just jerk off right here then and I'll head home*.

Or you could, you know, be a responsible individual, zip your shit up and leave immediately.

[Sorrior]

Except that it is. It isn't complicated. Date rape ONLY happens because a guy decides that getting off is worth abusing and forcing a woman to have sex with him. That's it. That's the whole thing. He doesn't see her as an equal, he sees her as a tool, a means to an end. Her resistance is an offense, which is why he forces her. That's the entire dynamic.

If you're claiming it's anything else, you're deluding yourself.

No just deminishing someone to ONE THING as horrible as it is is a mistake. A man might be arapist but he is also MORE then that. You focus too much on the act and not the reason and you lose the ability to prevent it.

[Arganis]

I'll grant you the kind of insanity that would work as a plea in court. Other than that, let's see what you've got here;

Yes insanity, that's my speciality.

Nope. He's a violent rapist. The only difference between him and a guy who grabs a girl in the park is that he's an opportunist, rather than a planner. It's the difference between heat-of-the-moment murder and premeditated murder. It's still murder.

It's not "sad". He's dangerous and violent. Period.

Ok, I was going to go point by point but we've got a "God exist because it's what I chose to believe" type argument here. I said the guy was "non-violent" and you immediately had to change that to "violent". It shows you simply can't imagine a scenario that actually happens every day where the hormone driven teenager starts to fondle his girlfriend, she says no but he insists. I won't get graphic but you don't exactly need to "dominate" and go the whole nine yards for something to constitute rape in court (and in the girls mind I might add). So yes you can rape someone without tearing all their cloth off and making them do every position in the kama sutra through brute force.

A pity-screw isn't rape. She explicitly consented, there, so I have no idea why you're bringing it up.

You're just an asshole for "insisting", not a rapist. Seriously, you've got hands. Go take care of it yourself.

This is the one I've heard from a lot of feminist that the guys hate. To many feminist, even a husband can rape his wife if she told him no, even once. Many women would argue that insisting and getting your way through pressure and influence, while there may be no violent altercation, can constitute rape. The fact you completely reject that once more shows your inability to even conceive of anything that doesn't fall under your specific definition of rape, hence black and white thinking.

Rape. No different than slipping her a roofie, dude.

This one is the only one where I'll take your rejection seriously but I chose that one because there's not much "dominating" going on when somebody is passed out (at least not compared to when they're not), although that can be debated, so I'll let that one go either way.

Wrong. In each of them, the guy sees the girl as an object for him to slate his lust with, and the abuse is about exerting power over her, to force her to his will. I'll grant that the middle seems to be more of a guy being an asshole and the girl consenting unhappily, but that means it's not "rape", and thus not a counter.
*

Again this is black and white thinking. You can't even conceive of a gray area because you don't want to. Sating lust isn't always about "domination" and "exerting power", sometimes you just want to get off and are frustrated you can't. I know because it happens to me, apparently it never happens to you, good for you but that's doesn't mean no man on Earth can want to get off just because the hormonal urge and not because he always has a hidden desire to "take control".

I'm really not sure why you're playing rape-apologist.

Not sure where you got that. My post's sole motivation is to show that this Freudian type thinking where because one definition fits many then it fits all, is just lazy and untrue. I won't deny that people who rape by definition have an issue with woman, otherwise they wouldn't rape and that to rape takes coercion of some sort but to say that the MOTIVATION. Is either SOLELY misogny or domination or both but can't be anything else. To me that's simply abhorrent.

[Reg]

No just deminishing someone to ONE THING as horrible as it is is a mistake. A man might be arapist but he is also MORE then that. You focus too much on the act and not the reason and you lose the ability to prevent it.

"Well, he's a rapist ...but he is also a mighty fine whittler." Really? Rapist is just a character trait now?

[Sorrior]

Thats why reflective sunglasses are a good investment.

And THSOE can get odd looks as well when mixed witha beard. I use them for practical reasons(slight photosensitivity) and yeah it's a no win situation in many ways.

[Tinykong]

Penis mastery...

Liam Neeson: "To conquer the penis, you must become the penis!"

I heard this in the voice of a Pandaren.

"Slow down...."

Time to go home.

[Reeve]

Do you just jerk of on the spot when you get turned down? I'm pretty sure that's sexual harassment of some sort. *No, I don't want to anymore.- Ok, i'll just jerk off right here then and I'll head home*.

Masturbation is probably not the right action to take whilst in the same room as the person that just told you they didn't want to have sex.

I was going to post about just such a situation I've been in, but I've decided that the details are probably a bit too personal for these boards.

---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 10:39 PM ----------

Do you just jerk of on the spot when you get turned down? I'm pretty sure that's sexual harassment of some sort. *No, I don't want to anymore.- Ok, i'll just jerk off right here then and I'll head home*.

Masturbation is probably not the right action to take whilst in the same room as the person that just told you they didn't want to have sex.


I'm thinking more of the impact that loads and loads of testosterone has on the human mind. Many ignorant women believe that mens sexdrive sits purely in his dick. While in reality there are loads of hormones in play that seriously affect rational thinking.

Again, I think that's an excuse for poor behavior, not the reality.

[Deleted]

Or you could, you know, be a responsible individual, zip your shit up and leave immediately.

Yes, that's exactly what I'd do, but it's not as easy as to just shut "the machinery" down as it apparently is for women.

Again, I think that's an excuse for poor behavior, not the reality.

It's an excuse if you actually go through with rape, that's not the point I wanted to make. I'm just saying it's not as easy as to just shut it down on a dime as many people seem to believe. Again, I'm not talking about the simple task of losing an erection. But calming yourself down and go against your nature is quite hard.

[Sorrior]

What part of "insomnia" and "boredom" don't you get?

LOL you too eh? Welcome to why i kept coming back when semaphore was around. Still just glad i found someone who can understand what i say.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yes, that's exactly what I'd do, but it's not as easy as to just shut "the machinery" down as it apparently is for women.

You can't shut the machinery but you can definitely get away. Or are we suddenly not having free will again.

[Sorrior]

Why do you think men can't stop?

I said some not all. And more like under the right circumstances and enough hormone blinders.

I'm not trying to say it's right but it's not as easy for alot of men to lose "the mood" as it is for women. Or so it seems. Often if a guy gets close and gets shot down they may stop but i can all but gurantee you they then go jack off or something else.

It's just not the same for men. Doesn;t mean it;s right but you must always look at the core cause of something to solve the problems related to it.

[Endus]

Ok, I was going to go point by point but we've got a "God exist because it's what I chose to believe" type argument here. I said the guy was "non-violent" and you immediately had to change that to "violent". It shows you simply can't imagine a scenario that actually happens every day where the hormone driven teenager, starts to fondle his girlfriend, she says no and he insist. I won't get graphic but you don't exactly need to "dominate" and go the whole nine yards for something to constitute rape in court (and in the girls mind I might add).

Emotional violence and coercion is still violence/coercion. You're forcing her to do something she said she didn't want to do. That requires force. It's inherently violent. That's why you can't just say it's "non-violent".

Again this is black and white thinking. You can't even conceive of a gray area because you don't want to. Sating lust isn't always about "domination" and "exerting power", sometimes you just want to get off and are frustrated you can't.

If you seriously get so frustrated that you're going to force a woman to sate it, you're a rapist. Period. The rest of us non-rapists will either just cope with being blue-balled like any normal man would.

There's no "gray area". You're just trying to justify rape.

---------- Post added 2013-02-11 at 05:46 PM ----------

I said some not all. And more like under the right circumstances and enough hormone blinders.

There's no such thing as "hormone blinders".

[Sorrior]

Supposition. I have not heard anything like that.

I have. It;s not common and still not right but i;d also say it;s not right for a woman to get a guy THAT close and THEN say stop.

[Deleted]

You can't shut the machinery but you can definitely get away. Or are we suddenly not having free will again.

You assume that I'm condoning rape, which I don't. All I'm saying is that it requires some mental strength to just walk away, luckily something most men have.

[Deleted]

I have. It;s not common and still not right but i;d also say it;s not right for a woman to get a guy THAT close and THEN say stop.

"You're not allowed to change your mind, forfeit your body to the man"?

You think one would do it just to mess with the guy?

[Sorrior]

It is that simple. We are humans capable of conscious thought. We don't have to follow instinct and urges. That's what separates us from the dog lying at my feet. It's completely asinine to say on one hand that women's equality is a disadvantage to men, and then on the other hand say you want equality for everyone. I agree men and women should be equal, but I don't believe that I am being stripped of any of my "advantages".

I see you;re one of those people who thinks humans aren;t either A animals or B don;t have instincts that can take over...

You are sadly wrong on both areas. Base instincts exist and when too strong they CAN override logic. It's actually well known just for survival more then anything.

[Zhangfei]

I have. It;s not common and still not right but i;d also say it;s not right for a woman to get a guy THAT close and THEN say stop.

It isn't right if a woman does it maliciously but it's a complicated issue. However, you still can't justify rape by pointing to it. Someone might dink my car, it doesn't mean I get to gun them down.

You are sadly wrong on both areas. Base instincts exist and when too strong they CAN override logic. It's actually well known just for survival more then anything.

All instincts can be overcome and humans really aren't indebted to them. Most of society goes against it.

[ranku]

Or you could, you know, be a responsible individual, zip your shit up and leave immediately.

yet when someone does that most women in that situation would think of them as a no good asshole who only wanted to have sex.

[Endus]

I have. It;s not common and still not right but i;d also say it;s not right for a woman to get a guy THAT close and THEN say stop.

It's not nice, but it's also not a justification to force her. You're free to feel angry and frustrated.

You assume that I'm condoning rape, which I don't. All I'm saying is that it requires some mental strength to just walk away, luckily something most men have.

It doesn't take more mental strength than anyone has. The difference is, some people don't care enough about the women in question to bother.