Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Karn]

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Karn
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[Grizzly Willy]

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Karn
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Privately owned entities, like this website and the forums therein, are by no means bound by the constitution. You are not guaranteed the ability to say whatever you want, as detailed in the forum guidelines. If you would like to force companies and businesses to have certain policies, take it up with Washington.

[Moadar]

Also, there have been several posts about regulating guns like we do cars, and these have been opposed for no real apparent reason other than people seem to be staunchly opposed to any kind of gun

Why should people allow themselves to be regulated by a group that has shown they have no sense in their handling of firearms? Let me know when they start regulating themselves because they need it far more than the American public does.

[Findlyn]

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Karn
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And the problem with this is what? Several of my posts with outside links had this. They want to verify that what you are linking to isnt something like virus's/porn etc most likely. I had no problem with it, but I guess it has to do with using logic and not knee jerk reactions....

And that seems to be, in my opinion, the whole problem with the whole AWB movement, at the moment. People are not using logic to understand that it doesn't fix an issue. Heck, with they way they are doing it, its not even a band-aid over a wound; its like giving someone a pain pill for a major infection and expecting them to get better. Sure, for the next few hours they will feel better, but after that, the realization will set in, that it helped nothing, and possibly hurt the person in long run because you still have not addressed the larger issue.

[lockedout]

And the problem with this is what? Several of my posts with outside links had this. They want to verify that what you are linking to isnt something like virus's/porn etc most likely. I had no problem with it, but I guess it has to do with using logic and not knee jerk reactions....

Off Topic:
It is because of your post count. Once you post a few times you can start posting pictures, videos and links.

[Dillon]

Why do you feel the need for deliberately hiding what your video is about instead of directly telling them? Why not say "Ted Cruz standing up for gun owners"? Why do you have to hide it behind "your constitutional rights" to make it sound all overly-dramatic while attempting to NOT tell people what it's really about?

Do you seriously think somebody is going to say "Oh! It was MY constitutional right he was fighting for! I suddenly understand why owning assault rifles is OK!" ?

Exercising a right doesn't need justification.

[Sicarus]

It's possible I feel bad for the victim and wanted to share the story. That's the thing. I do care when a person does related to guns even if I don't know them personally. It's this great compassion I have and my motivation. As much as I would like this to circle around you personally. It's even bigger then that.

Fused, do you give to charity? Do you help out the local vagrants in your area?

If not, you don't have compassion and/or motivation. You have a blind hatred for things you don't and choose not to understand. These stories, which by the way, there's not "a new one every week/month" whatever, they're just getting reported more, you really have no idea how much this stuff happens every day.

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I'm not talking about absolute values, I'm talking about rate per capita, so population size isn't terribly relevant.

And the south has the highest murder rate per capita and is fairly awash in guns so really come on.

For example Louisiana has one of the highest murder rates in the nation and is also somewhere between 10-15 nationally on gun ownership.

We're also bordering Mexico, and if you haven't noticed, they like shooting at us.

Louisiana's capital, New Orleans, also has VERY strict gun control, whereas the rest of the state, doesn't.

You're also assuming everyone in the south owns guns, so unless you provide proof about it, it's not very valid.

[downnola]

Fused, do you give to charity? Do you help out the local vagrants in your area?

If not, you don't have compassion and/or motivation. You have a blind hatred for things you don't and choose not to understand. These stories, which by the way, there's not "a new one every week/month" whatever, they're just getting reported more, you really have no idea how much this stuff happens every day.

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We're also bordering Mexico, and if you haven't noticed, they like shooting at us.

Louisiana's capital, New Orleans, also has VERY strict gun control, whereas the rest of the state, doesn't.

You're also assuming everyone in the south owns guns, so unless you provide proof about it, it's not very valid.

Baton Rouge.

[Sicarus]

Baton Rouge.

Oh, shit yeah, kinda tired and it slipped my mind, I always think it's the capital just due to it's, well, large-ness.

But, aside from it not being the capital, it has the strictest gun control in the state.

[hakujinbakasama]

Why should people allow themselves to be regulated by a group that has shown they have no sense in their handling of firearms? Let me know when they start regulating themselves because they need it far more than the American public does.

I completely agree. When the people in Washington DC feel that an all Male staffed panel has the educated and right to dictate what every female in the country should do with their bodies, I sort of lose any belief that they have the educated to regulate anything.

The issue that most people outside of the USA seem to miss out on is that our entire political system is run by laywers who do not have to be "intelligent" people nor educated on subject matter they approve or deny laws or funds towards.

It's amazing the lack of "qualifications" some of the people on special chair committees have or don't have in many cases. Hell, you're lucky if you EVER get someone on a budget committee or approval board to actually have an education in whatever they're covering. It's so great to know that internet piracy and invasion laws are being written and done by a bunch of guys in their 50-60's who couldn't fucking being to explain what http means.

[Maleficus]

And the south has the highest murder rate per capita and is fairly awash in guns so really come on.

For example Louisiana has one of the highest murder rates in the nation and is also somewhere between 10-15 nationally on gun ownership.

The south, and Louisiana in particular, also has the highest percentage of certain "demographics". If you look for these specific "demographics" across the nation, you will find high crime / murder rates there with them.

[Todgruppe]

The south, and Louisiana in particular, also has the highest percentage of certain "demographics". If you look for these specific "demographics" across the nation, you will find high crime / murder rates there with them.

Louisiana also has some of the dumbest laws, 30 days law that's a good one.

[Deadvolcanoes]

I guess this belongs here but...

If I keep seeing ads like this one on this site, I'm going to enable adblock. It's propaganda like this that is quite literally damaging any rational discussion of gun control.

[Wildtree]

I guess this belongs here but...

If I keep seeing ads like this one on this site, I'm going to enable adblock. It's propaganda like this that is quite literally damaging any rational discussion of gun control.

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...09235374419120

I had to hit quote to see the image link.
Removed the tag now, to see it at least in my reply.

[Wells]

The south, and Louisiana in particular, also has the highest percentage of certain "demographics". If you look for these specific "demographics" across the nation, you will find high crime / murder rates there with them.

/sigh

We're also bordering Mexico, and if you haven't noticed, they like shooting at us.

Louisiana doesn't border Mexico and you've provided no data to back up the idea that our gun violence is propped up by Mexicans.

Louisiana's capital, New Orleans, also has VERY strict gun control, whereas the rest of the state, doesn't.

Localized gun control is not very effective. See: Chicago. And that's still irrelevant, point stands. Louisiana is awash in guns and very dangerous.

You're also assuming everyone in the south owns guns, so unless you provide proof about it, it's not very valid.

I never said this.

[GreatOak]

/sigh


Louisiana doesn't border Mexico and you've provided no data to back up the idea that our gun violence is propped up by Mexicans.

Localized gun control is not very effective. See: Chicago. And that's still irrelevant, point stands. Louisiana is awash in guns and very dangerous.

I never said this.

There's really no correlation between the amount of guns and overall crime. Some places, namely the south, have a lot of crime and guns. Other places like New England and Mountain states, have high gun ownership and low crime. Localized gun control has no real positive effect either, as shown in DC and my home city. It's almost as if socioeconomic elements are the biggest factor in crime; a shocking prospect, I know.




http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_stud...terproductive/
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2013...laws/?page=all

[Tinykong]

Louisiana is awash in guns and very dangerous.

I don't want to admit Wells is right, but he is about this at least. I lived in Louisiana for a few years, and would have been able to walk into an Academy Sports Store, put a driver's license and cash on the counter, and walk out with a Sig Sauer 556. No back ground check, just proof of residence. If you go into some of the pawn shops surrounding Lafayette, you can buy a handgun for cash under the table without even really trying. I went into a gun shop outside of the Best Buy I worked at just to see what was in there, looked at a Desert Eagle .50 AE just to say I held one, and the guy told me I could buy it for $500 cash and walk out of the store.

[Grizzly Willy]

There's really no correlation between the amount of guns and overall crime. Some places, namely the south, have a lot of crime and guns. Other places like New England and Mountain states, have high gun ownership and low crime. Localized gun control has no real positive effect either, as shown in DC and my home city. It's almost as if socioeconomic elements are the biggest factor in crime; a shocking prospect, I know.

If this is the case, would you say that guns don't act as a deterrent against crime? If they don't have any impact, then it couldn't be argued that they reduce crime, either.

[Peacemaker65]

Whats disheartening about this is, was the coroner told to fudge facts to make shit sound a different way, or is he really just that incompetent.

.223 is only illegal for certain game like deer and larger. .223 is plenty powerful for varmint hunting. We shoot anything from prairie dogs to coyotes with .223. Some people even use it on feral hogs. But, this has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment or firearms for self defense.

[GreatOak]

If this is the case, would you say that guns don't act as a deterrent against crime? If they don't have any impact, then it couldn't be argued that they reduce crime, either.

They deter crime as it is in the act (vast majority of defendants simply brandishing the weapon), but there isn't sufficient data to prove that the presence of guns stops crime either. It's a simple fact that guns make it easier to both commit crime and defend yourself from them. There is no data to suggest the are a motivation for or against crime, except in the cases of hot vs. cold burglaries. There is data that suggests that criminals without guns are dissuaded by good people with guns, but that is almost never the situation. More often than not, if responsible people can get guns, so can criminals; albeit in different ways. It would then seem to be an offsetting situation.

I'm sure you saw the link earlier ITT that showed where criminals acquire their firearms.