Even normal mode raiders(being able to kill 1 heroic boss after a month of it being out is still normal mode imo) could easily progress without dailies. I got into a ragtag group about week 2-3 of MoP in mostly blues and we cleared a decent bit of MSV normal so claiming that it's HC raiders that can ignore dailies is wrong. The only people complaining about dailies are the people who don't even raid normal mode which they have no reason to complain since dailies are their main source of content. They don't need more gear to progress in raids so I really don't see why they are complaining. My lock is way behind on gear now and I could easily just jump into raids.
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You are using independent event probabilities wrong.
This is not how it works. 7% means just that, 7% chance each kill, independent from all other kills. The 7% doesn't say ANYTHING about how many kills you will need to get it.
On the other hand, the chance of NOT having gotten it in 10 kills is 48%, in 20 kills it's 23%, and in 65 kills it's 0.9%
So no, you are not guaranteed to get it after X kills, but it gets more and more unlikely as X goes up.
Yeah, I didn't get my T1 gloves until after I had full T2.
Valor cap says you can't.
"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
Friedrich Nietzsche
I don't believe that I made any mention of your happiness in regards to daily quests so I am not sure what your previous posts mentioning that you refuse to do them has do with anything. This is slightly off topic but I have, often, seen you claim that others have said something they have not and then attack them for something completely unrelated to their post. Do you behave like this because you get so angry that you simply do not read people's posts or is it because you are unable to put your point across and need to twist the argument in your favour?
I realise that I am wasting my time because you appear to be unable to deal with the prospect of Blizzard being wrong and you appear to have a fundamental lack of understanding how the customer/company relationship works. Arguing whether something is forced or feels forced is nonsense and idiotic. It might not have been Blizzard's intention for dailies to feel forced however from the customer who feels this way's point of view that is irrelevant.
In basic terms as a company if you have a product/service that people want/enjoy they will pay for it, if you don't they won't. There is no third option of provide something people don't like and then explain to them why they are wrong.
It is not a fact that dailies were not forced, that is your opinion, the fact is many felt they were and many of them will have left the game a lot of them for good.
Nope.
Hohoho, but one can calculate how many kills it may take using binomial distribution.
For "at least 1" case it's 65, that is n=65 (P = 0.99). With a high chance (0.9+) on getting 2.
That means that everyone is likely to have this robe in 65 weeks. EVERYONE who needs it.
Some will get it on week 1, others on week 65. Few won't at all. On average majority of people will get it around week 40. Which is too long too.
It's still not 100% guarantee, but my point was about TIME not guarantees.
Exactly, closing in on 65th kill you are likely to get one with a 1% chance to the contrary, which can happen still.
No one said anything about guarantees - my argument was about TIME and Valor Gear
That's irrelevant, I know you ca't get to revered with Golden lotus in a week. Not to mention have enough VP to buy the item.
But Terrace wasn't available right away and people had time to farm enough VP and enough rep, and it took them less than ~65 weeks to get a chest.
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You're a bit naïve, aren't you?
I'm pretty sure EVERYBODY who does PvE does LFR without a doubt. Which takes about 1 to 3 hours depending on luck. But you won't see a drop everytime you do LFR, because it's RNG = not a good way of relying on gearing up.
Sha is also extremely RNG. Out of the 10~ sha's on two different characters I've only had TWO tier drops. Gloves for my monk and legs for my druid. Which is, yet again not a reliable way of gearing up because it's RNG.
Buying gear off of the AH/making epics yourself REQUIRES YOU TO DO DAILIES. You NEED spirits of harmony from your farm which is a sort of daily activity. They also drop from mobs = mostly dailies. Making the money to even AFFORD epics from the AH requires you to either do proffessions or rely from gold income FROM DAILIES.
Heroic drops are yet again not a reliable way of gearing up. I've done many heroics on my druid to get an ilvl 463 trinket, which took me about 3-4 days of grinding heroics. And I'm not even starting about my other items I got from heroics. Sure, it's a nice boost when you're lucky, but it's not an extremely reliable way of gearing up. Besides, the gear only goes up to ilvl 463.
Also, doesn't the klaxxi necklance require you to do dailies since you need the reputation...?
No matter what you say about dailies not being "mandatory", they are. They at least feel like they're mandatory in order to gear up reliably.
I myself was lucky I had a shitton of time to play with, so I managed to get every reputation to exalted and get all of the mounts from them, but that doesn't mean I didn't felt obligated to do them. I missed one day of dailies and I already felt like I was behind everybody, which isn't really healthy for a player to feel like in a game IMO.
Oh, and I forgot about the stupid coins for bonus loot rolls. That DEFINATELY made dailies feel mandatory. I mean, 3 extra chances on loot is HUGE. So don't tell me they didn't feel mandatory.
OT: I'm not sure what the 5.2 dailies will be like, but I heard you had a choice between PvE and PvP dailies, right? If so, that would be awesome, but I'm still wondering how many dailies there will be.
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"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
Friedrich Nietzsche
No it is not. My wants are not needs. Therefore not mandatory.
I can raid without it, but I will have difficulties in progress area. Because I (and everybody else who ignore VP gear) will be hindering the entire raid.
We won't be hitting DPS checks.
Our tanks will be dying a lot due to lack of good gear on tanks AND on healers.
We are not Paragon.
Only in academic sense.
In reality, if it feels mandatory - it is mandatory. I already paid my sub. So if to enjoy the rest of the game I have to do awful dailies - these dailies are mandatory as there's no refund and I want to play the rest of the game.
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All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
Because the chance of you not getting it (on each kill) is 90%, and because "The probability of multiple independent events ALL occurring is the product of their individual probabilities."
This means that in 2 kills you will have 0.9*0.9 = 0.81 (81%) chance of not getting it at all.
And in 10 kills you will have 0.9^10 = 0.35 (35%) chance of not getting it at all.
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Back in vanilla we called this progression. It was why we continued to clear MC after we started on BWL.
Today you have valor gear as an alternative to bad drop rates.
"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
Friedrich Nietzsche
Please, back in Vanila I had green pieces while raiding in AQ40. There were no meaningful progression, just different gear, since they had % instead of ratings back then - they couldn't make really better gear. Just a bit more base stats that's all. And the ring with 2% hit was BiS for Agi users til the coming of ratings though it dropped from Ragnaros.
And half MC you had to use green FR gear.
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Your point doesn't include bad drops in MSV, which are easily replaced by VP gear.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side