my apologies, i realize now, that those notes were in fact not updated. gc just made a blue post explaining his reasoning behind buffing frost and not unholy as well as other classes.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...?page=121#2402
Last edited by damescool; 2013-03-05 at 07:15 PM.
Because of the way in which they are used to support arguments.
There is a way to use SimC properly. There is a way to use Raidbots properly. But you have to know what they're telling you. If you pick off a number, and throw that number to GC, you are wasting his time and he is fully correct to dismiss your claim. This is the most common usage and is also the incorrect usage.
I have posted my remarks on this in another thread: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post20415632
WoL from PTR fights doesn't support the claim that Unholy < Frost barring gimmicks, and SimC's Unholy profile is not working correctly. Sure, there's not a landslide difference, though. Don't just look at data that is given to you. Analyze the data that is given to you, and seek other data to validate that which is given to you. Personally, I think Blizzard went a little over the top with this latest round of buffs for Frost.
While I will readily admit that I have not posted my sim's DPS for the specs in a while, my sim was showing Unholy > Frost before this round of buffs, not that that itself makes my sim correct or anything, nor that you should have known what my sim said somehow either.
"I have it all simmed."
Euliat
Do you have logs from PTR showing unholy ahead of frost? When I wasn't lagging like crazy I didn't see this, and it didn't take gimmicks for frost to pull quite far ahead, it just took normal mechanics that Unholy has a harder time dealing with.
It appears the tooltips on Live aren't updated with the 5.2 patch. Shame.
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If they're hotfix changes, they will require another client-side patch to change tooltips. Are the changes live, though? Is icy talons 30%, etc? I'm still at work so I can't check.
So far it seems to be, with my Elvui unitframes, it's showing me at 62.04% haste, and pre-patch I was at 55.64%
I assume that the Icy Talons attack speed is folded into the haste tooltip, but isn't actual haste.
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The total haste value can be tricky. Best way to tell is to look at your haste tooltip and check the amount of haste from gear. Lets say it's 9.74%. Then your weapon's attack baseline speed, lets say 3.6s, and your actual attack speed in the tooltip.
3.6 / 1.0974 = 3.28s
This is your base weapon speed. Then you do icy talons.
If Icy Talons is 25%, your weapon attacks at 2.62s.
3.28 / 1.25 = 2.62s
If Icy Talons is 30%, 2.52s.
3.28 / 1.30 = 2.52s
I've got a 3.6 weapon and with +17.85% haste from gear, I'm at a 2.22 swing timer. So, it appears to be active at 30%, I think? I need more coffee before I can math. xD
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Melee_Haste = (1 + (Haste_Rating/425)/100) * (1 + Icy_Talons) * (1 + Unholy_Aura) + ... + (1 + whatever_buff)
Turn %'s into decimals in all cases.
Swing_Speed = Base_Speed / Melee_Haste
It is very likely that anything they consider to be "true" haste is something that also affects rune regeneration timers. Tooltips aren't always clear on this distinction, but I bet that's the underlying mechanic.
"I have it all simmed."
Euliat
3.6 / 1.1785 (haste from gear) = 3.06s
3.06 / 1.1 (unholy aura, forgot it in my prev post) = 2.78s
2.78s / 1.25 (25% icy talons) = 2.22s
So icy talons is live at 25%, not 30%. Most likely the other buffs from GC's recent post are also not yet active either. Hopefully we'll get a hotfix soon.
Last edited by Schizoide; 2013-03-05 at 11:31 PM.
The rolling restarts appeared to have adjusted it, after my realm came back up I was at 2.11 attack speed, down from 2.20 with 18.80% haste from gear.
So, the 30% is live.
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- Might of the Frozen Wastes -15 %
- Icy Talons - 25%.
- Threat of Thassariann - 40%.
So we didn't get buff what GC said..
I'm interested to see how things played out for everyone yesterday. Our logs, which are unfortunately private, show Unholy and Frost being almost exactly equal on single targets, which is what all of the public data showed they should have been before the last minute buff to Frost.
However, the buff to Frost appears to have NOT been in place, it was only rolled out during the restarts this morning.
This would indicate that the public data was right, and that we will now see Frost far ahead of Unholy after the buffs. If anyone has any evidence either way - please share.
Did the tooltip change in the US after the rolling restarts?
No, tooltip is still 15/25% for MOTFW and Icy Talons. Hotfix, yo.
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