Raiding Destro with affliction reforges and gems?

[Deleted]

I've raided 7 bosses this weekend as destro, with aff reforges - 10.500 haste 5.000 mastery and never sat oom

I've felt a dps decrease on aoe, but I was almost at par with affliction on single target, specially using RoF.

why on earth would you sit at 10500 haste as afflic or destro for that matter? you wont be able to prooperly utilize all that haste as destro and you should either sit near 9778 haste or 12439 haste for the breakpoints for afflic.

[Hangrah]

Actually, if you're AoEing for a extended period of time you're best off going GoSup/GoServ. Sac doesn't do anything for AoE damage, while Sup/Serv still hits one target.

Thanks for the advice, i'll give it a shot tomorrow.

[Deleted]

I'm also interested in this, my current aff stats are:

Haste: 7221 = 16.99%
Mastery: 8303 = 67.70%
Crit: 1919 = 11.29%

In my raids I really dont have time to have to reforge before every other fight especially when I'd have to go to the Shrine to do it....

I don't have simcraft as I'm at work atm so I have no clue on how those stats would perform for Destro.

[Deleted]

Those stats are almost identical to mine, I've got about 600 more haste - I believe you should be able to play destro fine, but as I said earlier, it won't be optimal and you might run into GCD issues with affliction haste when you've got large haste procs.

Just bear these things in mind.

a) The difference between destro and affliction shouldn't be huge (unless you're bad and good at one spec and another).
b) The difference provided by reforging, while certainly worth it to minmax, shouldn't be gamebreaking
c) Lots of guides, such as Brusalks - are aimed at squeezing out that extra 100 dps

If you're fine playing suboptimally and you don't care about that extra 100 dps, that's fine - it's your choice, you can play destro with affliction reforges and you should be able to do enough damage to compete IF you play well. On the other hand, the gap between affliction and destro is so small that there aren't many fights I can think of (bar meter padding) where destro will outperform affliction, especially when played suboptimally, and vise versa.

Which makes me think, in general, it's better to just pick one spec (since both are perfectly viable) and aim to play it optimally, rather than dabbling in both - if you want to play destro, that's a perfectly legit choice - why not reforge for it? If not, afflictions still perfectly competitive.

That said, if you simply want to switch between the two on the fly, yes - it should work, but you won't be squeezing everything you can out of the spec if you're doing this, it's up to you to decide if you and your raid group can deal with that.

If all else fails, you can always try raiding as destro for a week or two with reforges and see how you do, then compare it to your previous or future affliction runs - see what works best for you, reforging once a fortnight isn't a huge pain, especially with reforging tools like reforgelite.

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Cheers Nagassh

[Nazmina]

Not entirely on topic but very related, since I couldn't get any posts in my thread I'll respost it here to see if I can get some advice.

So I dropped my Aff spec for destro, but I still mostly go Demo on fights. I'm trying to figure out a good set of reforge priorities (in general) so that I don't have to reforge every time I switch (or try to gear two specs differently)

Seems like the general case for Demo is Crit = Mastery > Haste, and for typical single target destro its something like Haste = Crit >Mastery using GoSup. Both specs seem to favor crit but Im not sure what to do beyond that.

[Brusalk]

Not entirely on topic but very related, since I couldn't get any posts in my thread I'll respost it here to see if I can get some advice.

Just go Mastery > Crit > Haste. Use Sac for fights where you use a lot of SBurns or CBolts (or where damage buffs are periodic and you can save embers for when you get them. Like pools on Jinrok or Feed buff on Ji'kun). Just use Sup/Obs for single target/cleave with the mastery reforge. It's a loss to do but if it's worth the damage loss to not reforge for you, then go for it. (Other people say it's about 2k on single target to go that way as opposed to the optimal Haste = Crit > Mastery. Personally I haven't had a chance to do any testing on sub-optimal reforging methods like that)

[Xandy]

Well you must be doing something wrong.. I'm playing with 3k less haste than you and never go oom... are you consuming backdraft with Chaos bolt instead of incinerate? are you capping on embers because you ONLY cast chaos bolt when you have a proc up regardless of your ember level?

3k less Haste is a lot... and no I'm not consuming backdraft with Chaos Bolts I use them on Incinerate. I cast Chaos Bolt when I have procs or when I cap (or come close to cap, depending on the CD of DS) or when I pop Dark Soul.

And I constantly go OOM. I'm sure it's just not meant to be played with that much Haste, and obviously it doesn't help that I have a Haste trinket.

[Brusalk]

3k less Haste is a lot... and no I'm not consuming backdraft with Chaos Bolts I use them on Incinerate. I cast Chaos Bolt when I have procs or when I cap (or come close to cap, depending on the CD of DS) or when I pop Dark Soul.

And I constantly go OOM. I'm sure it's just not meant to be played with that much Haste, and obviously it doesn't help that I have a Haste trinket.

If you're using RoF in your rotation it's pretty expected to go OOM.

[Xandy]

If you're using RoF in your rotation it's pretty expected to go OOM.

At what point did I say I was using RoF in my rotation?

Seriously Destro single target is stupidly easy, it would be pretty hard for me to mess that up. I'm going OOM using Affy haste breakpoint reforges/gems, is that so hard to believe?

[Brusalk]

At what point did I say I was using RoF in my rotation?

Seriously Destro single target is stupidly easy, it would be pretty hard for me to mess that up. I'm going OOM using Affy haste breakpoint reforges/gems, is that so hard to believe?

You might want to be a bit better informed if you think RoF isn't in the single target rotation.

[Xandy]

It's not part of the single target rotation this has been discussed on many threads. Why would you call me out for using RoF (which is not the case) and going OOM and then turn around and say I should be doing that?

The reason from, what I've read, not to use RoF is because it makes you go OOM... you are very confusing.

[lockedout]

Guys,

I heard that the current best build for destro requires Mastrey=Haste> crit, I am currently running a 4717 haste cap then full mastery on my affliction lock.

So can i raid destro and affliction at the same time at max efficiency ?

You could yes nothing is stopping you.

Your dps will suffer.
Reverse the question to yourself.
Raiding Aff with destro reforges and gemming sound like a good idea?

[Brusalk]

It's not part of the single target rotation this has been discussed on many threads. Why would you call me out for using RoF (which is not the case) and going OOM and then turn around and say I should be doing that?

The reason from, what I've read, not to use RoF is because it makes you go OOM... you are very confusing.

?

Being OOM is not the worst thing in the world as Destro.

Also, I'm the person who's done pretty much all of the theorycrafting of Destro since 5.0 that's publicly released information (at the least on here).

You should re-study Destro as it's pretty apparent that you're not understanding some things about Destro that's publicly available and is the general consensus.

[Demonarc]

I'm going OOM using Affy haste breakpoint reforges/gems, is that so hard to believe?

Yes it is, since I did the exact same thing last night (10.3K haste actually) and never went OOM.

[Xandy]

Yes it is, since I did the exact same thing last night (10.3K haste actually) and never went OOM.

Well it happens to me every-time I practice Destro, without fail I go OOM and have to sit there and twiddle my thumbs. It usually happens during Backdraft when I'm spamming Incinerate, especially when I have my Haste trinket proc.

?Being OOM is not the worst thing in the world as Destro.

If that's the case then this isn't the spec for me, I hate not being able to cast my filler

[crysilaero]

why on earth would you sit at 10500 haste as afflic or destro for that matter? you wont be able to prooperly utilize all that haste as destro and you should either sit near 9778 haste or 12439 haste for the breakpoints for afflic.

I was in a hurry and did not remembered the plateau, so I reforged to around 10k and gg.

[Deleted]

I was in a hurry and did not remembered the plateau, so I reforged to around 10k and gg.

grr, and you call yourself a warlock, im appauled lol.

[Gorthan]

Played some bosses yesterday with affliction/reforged gems as destro.
- Jinrock: terrible
- Horridon: awsome, 98,6% ranking with 503ilvl. It's more a matter of skill than equip.
- Tortos: not bad, again it's more about you than your equip.

[Etrigan]

I'm playing with 3k less haste than you and never go oom...

You must not be keeping RoF up enough. I go oom very often with waaay less haste.