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Bdk Nagrand / Astae Nagrand
Pokemon X FC: 4656-7679-2545/Trainer Name: Keno
Pandaren and Deathwing were part of WC lore before WoW even released.
To those who say that the Pandaren had no impact on Warcraft lore before MoP - Chen Stormstout would like to talk to you about Orgrimmar and the Horde
Their presence in the lore in Warcraft before MoP was so small that a lot of people laughed it off as a joke, just to find a whole expansion based on their homeland. Imagine these people's reaction.
I for one don't like pandarens. I don't really like real life pandas anyway. But this is subjective; you can tell, because i believe MoP is one of the best things WoW ever had.
Long story short, just because they're part of the lore doesn't mean everyone has to like them.
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Bdk Nagrand / Astae Nagrand
Pokemon X FC: 4656-7679-2545/Trainer Name: Keno
I read this a lot. Pandarian does not belong in Wow. I like to know WHY it does not belong. Seriously, why? I am not interested in hearing why you do not like them but really WHY they do not belong.
It is simply because they were never mentioned in the original Warcraft franchise? Is that it? That is the whole justification of why they do not belong in Wow? Were Draenei ever mentioned in the Warcraft? I don't know. I am asking. If not, where they subjected to the same vitriolic response?
Or is this some subconscious linking of Panda == cute and cuddly due to Disney's King Fu Panda and even possibly some anti-China mentality. Lets face it, China is not being reported as all a nice place at the moment, with the hacking accusation, human rights issue, environmental issues etc. Not as bad as Iran is being reported but certainly not considered a friend of the US in the same light as some European countries.
This. Honestly, I don't find the asian themes in mop to be any more distracting than the alien/sci fi stuff all over Outland, or the viking stuff all over Northrend. The pandaren as an idea predate Kung Fu Panda (which the nit picker in me will point out was NOT a Disney movie). They're not the first animal race in the game, I don't see them as any worse than tuskarr, or tauren, or the werewolves we have now, or the bear people in kalimdor.
MoP in and of itself has a good deal of variety. Dread Wastes/Townlong have a very different feel that Jade Forest. There are different styles of pandaren architecture, it's not all as bright and in your face as it is in the vale. If people don't like it, that's fair, it's all a matter of subjective oppinion, but sometimes I feel people blow things out of proportion. Not to mention that much of the story these last couple patches has been on the horde/alliance and not the Pandaren, and 5.3 and 5.4 will continue that trend, ending with the siege of orgrimmar.
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I agree. Jones was fine as a minor npc that showed up as a cameo for a quest now and again. But they should have had Brann show up after a few quests in, and NOT right at the end of the zone. It doesn't help matters that the Indianna Jones quest is one of TWO main storylines in the zone. It's not like it's a small isolated thing like this WotLK appearance.
Great anotherone of those hidden "I HATE MOP" threads.
In my personal opinion the only thing that dont fit in wow are the community tbh. Ruins the bloody game.
Pet battles, obviously...
God Forbid new cultures, architecture and races be different than the typical "Orcs and Humans" of Azeroth.
This dead horse is beaten far too often and frankly, it's getting old.
There will always be new, unknown and seemingly alien races and cultures that come from Azeroth or beyond. Pandaren culture is new to Warcraft as it was JUST discovered. Opening Alliance quests even say "Strange ornate structures". So citizens of Azeroth are just as confused.
Netherstorm is far more advanced as its Naaru technology, which is far more advanced than anything on Azeroth.
The thing about all these advancements and strange cultures: They belong. It's just cultural differentiation.
These things wouldn't make sense on Eastern Kingdoms or Kalimdor because they don't originate from there, but why can't they be from another part of Azeroth?
"Pandas, they had 0 significant impact on the lore before Pandailia, and now we play as them..."
Wow. Moronic.
What part of "hidden away on a concealed continent/giant moving Turtle" didn't you get?
Honestly I found BC to be a whole hell of a lot more distracting than anything in MoP. And even then I wouldn't say it doesn't belong, but it was more immersion breaking for me than MoP has been.
BC.Please take your giant purple crystal space dildos somewhere else.
And neither of them were the first to incorporate anthropomorphic pandas with martial arts. As I recall there's a ninja turtle toy for example that predates both.
It's common practice when dealing with fantasy races that are half person half animal to incorporate the culture around where those animals live into them. So we get pandaren with martial arts, we get a lot of northern native american culture in the tuskar, the tauren have similiarities to buffalo and have a native american vibe, etc. And the pandaren have a very asian inspired culture.
In short, neither the pandaren or kung fu panda were the first to do this.
Some of the spooks that went too far.
Orc Mages
For the night is dark and full of terrors
Not trying to flame or troll or break any rules, but these threads are so....terrible and should be locked. They just bring out the most ignorant of opinions and end up being a flame war about people thinking MOP was based on kung fu panda (people really believe this? i guess i have too many brain cells left).
Also nostalga goggles about how BC was the end all best thing ever.