Grats on the kill Envy!
Last edited by Dangg; 2013-04-10 at 01:37 AM.
I dont get where youre coming up with ragnaros info on the amount of pulls, but Envy's pulls were lower on Ragnaros than they are on Lei-shen, or around the same, doubt any top guild wiped on Rag 700 times. Still think Lei-Shen is by no means harder than Yogg0 or Rag25hc.
I never said my comparison was objective just arbitrary. Compare apples to apples. Envy killed Rag way after Paragon with way better gear and after 2 videos were released. Quite frankly, kills that come AFTER videos are released don't matter.
To the poster who said something about people telling world first guilds which boss is harder without fighting them themselves.
a)Guilds lie. Every tier "top" guilds thank blizzard for the "wonderful" tier and well designed bosses and other crap. How often do you see a top guild calling blizzard out for lazy/incompetent design? Part of the whole deal is being a sycophant.
b)People frequently place emphasis on more recent things. It is part of human nature. Speaking objectively, raiding scene got gutted vs firelands not better. For the horde left the building, ensidia disappeared, vodka disappeared (a few castaways got into exodus), paragon got gutted to 10 man. If you use cold hard numbers instead of what guilds say, Rag>Lei Shen as was indicated by one of the previous posters.
i resubbed after over a year of not playing wow, just because ToT is ulduar style raid.
the raid is cool and challenging.
Not that it really matters....but the comparison i did was speaking of the same raiding week, so it was actually paragons 3rd or 4th kill when it was Envy's second, so Paragon was the one outgearing Envy at that point, and Envy killed Rag 1 day after the Paragon video came out, and when youre progressing for 2 weeks on a boss, you have your plan laid down, you're dying because you cannot execute it, you dont see paragons video and then go "oh, its like this" and kill it the next raid. Same goes for every "hard" boss.
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It's called self inflation. There's a reason every time a guild gets a world first they claim it's hardest boss in WoW. They're taking their world first and using it as a way to demean the world firsts before them, to say the guild who beat them on the last boss sucks because that boss was easier.
Seriously, these guilds claim every last tier boss that they get the world first kill on is the hardest ever.
Last edited by Millie; 2013-04-10 at 03:51 AM.
Your persistence of vision does not come without great sacrifice. Let go of the tangible mass of your mind, it is only an illusion. There is no escape.. For the soul burns on everlasting encapsulated within infinite time. A thousand year journey at the blink of an eye... Humanity is dust..
bug trio with kri last was the hardest boss ever; anyone denying this is a self inflator.
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Last edited by lappee; 2013-04-10 at 04:28 AM.
I wouldn't say Lei Shen's RNG is any more than Ragnaros' was but I'll leave it for the guilds who've done both fights to judge. But from what I remember of it, RNG in the final phase of Rag could make it considerably easier and even effect whether you get a kill on an attempt.
As far as wipe counts , I'm not sure that's as valid as a judge as overall time it takes for guilds to down encounters, or if it's even worth mentioning considering how some guilds choose to approach boss encounters that have no attempt limitations.