Do you think the Alliance will ever reclaim Lordaeron or if Blizzard would allow it?

[Aquamonkey]

By your logic the Orcs have no claim to Draenor/Outland. They cowardly ran away from the world they destroyed and stole someone elses'.

1. The Legion bred and accelerated the orcs into adulthood causing a massive population boom that stripped the planet of natural resources. When the the Legion was done, they abandoned the orcs to deal with the aftermath of the Legion's machinations.

2. There were plenty of orcs who stayed there, both corrupted and uncorrupted. The uncorrupted ones welcomed their wayward brothers back. Humans are not so understanding or forgiving.

[Balazaar]

I can see the Alliance retaking the upper portion, Lordaeron proper, and just burying Undercity. In Warcraft 4 naturally. I doubt the humans would even want the lower part where the Forsaken reside now. They would do their best to wipe them out then seal it up.

[AmaMonsta]

I can see the Alliance retaking the upper portion, Lordaeron proper, and just burying Undercity. In Warcraft 4 naturally. I doubt the humans would even want the lower part where the Forsaken reside now. They would do their best to wipe them out then seal it up.

If that happened it would IFF Sylvanas allowed it to and as a result would have a plan to allow all of the Forsaken to escape and then plague the residents of the "New Lordaeron" which would prolly include more than a few notable human alliance figures which would in the end be a victory for the forsaken. gg Sylvanas well played.

[Haven]

Garithos got what he deserved true, but Sylvanas couldn't care less about a promise she made, as long as she gets what she wants. That is the forsaken way, if they truly want something they will try to take it by any means necessary. Right and wrong doesn't matter to them anymore.

Does it matter to anyone? "Good guys" do the same, they just spend more time justifying it.

[Lumineus]

If that happened it would IFF Sylvanas allowed it to and as a result would have a plan to allow all of the Forsaken to escape and then plague the residents of the "New Lordaeron" which would prolly include more than a few notable human alliance figures which would in the end be a victory for the forsaken. gg Sylvanas well played.

Typical marysueing by Sylvanas results in tragedy due to Alliance blunder. Yeah, that sounds about like something Metzen or Kosak would write. Realistically if this happened it would be long after Sylvanas and her RAS underlings had burnt to ash on the first of many pyres.

[Haven]

Typical marysueing by Sylvanas results in tragedy due to Alliance blunder. Yeah, that sounds about like something Metzen or Kosak would write. Realistically if this happened it would be long after Sylvanas and her RAS underlings had burnt to ash on the first of many pyres.

Realistically, undead should auto-win any war of attrition due to the lack of natural urges, have a strong upperhand in direct confrontation due to having no sense of pain and disease/poison immunity, and decimate the enemy with their chemical/bio-weapons of mass destruction, which still has no counter. Add to it the ability to turn dead humans into their troops... Gameplay mechanics is the only thing that holds them back. Necromantic armies have been always seriously nerfed to become manageable in fantasy, and even then it takes miracles to beat them.

[Deleted]

Not all of Lordaeron but parts of it possibly.

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Does it matter to anyone? "Good guys" do the same, they just spend more time justifying it.

"Good guys" do not do the same thing the Forsaken do. No other race in the Horde or the Alliance does anything close to what the Forsaken do.

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I think the most interesting question in regards to the Forsaken conquering Lordaeron is, what will the Argent Crusade, the Brotherhood of Light and the Cenarion Circle do when the Forsaken roll across the Plaguelands, attack Hearthglen and befoul the land again. I think those organizations will have a problem with that.

[Dreknar20]

Necromantic armies have been always seriously nerfed to become manageable in fantasy, and even then it takes miracles to beat them.

Hell, thats probably why it went down how it did in Wrath of the Lich King, with the whole Arthas wanting us to reach ICC because it was part of his plan

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"Good guys" do not do the same thing the Forsaken do.

Kinda a moot point, since everyone believes they are the "good guys".
Every army fights believing they have right, justice, and God on their side.

[Deleted]

Hell, thats probably why it went down how it did in Wrath of the Lich King, with the whole Arthas wanting us to reach ICC because it was part of his plan

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Kinda a moot point, since everyone believes they are the "good guys".
Every army fights believing they have right, justice, and God on their side.

But every army on earth does not experiment on their own people, and torture them, in order to develop a plague that is meant to destroy all life.

[Darksoldierr]

Well if they finish Warcraft without closing every plot then that will be fucking retarded.

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..... If the Forsaken aren't cured then in my eyes they are nothing more than a pile of stinking corpses that DESERVE TO BE PUT DOWN!!!

How do you cure death?

[Dreknar20]

How do you cure death?

same concept as fighting fire with fire.
You fight death....with more death!

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But every army on earth does not experiment on their own people, and torture them, in order to develop a plague that is meant to destroy all life.

Yes, an not all armies are from the same culture, nationality, or in Azeroth's case the same race

[LilSaihah]

How do you cure death?

res spells

[Haven]

But every army on earth does not experiment on their own people, and torture them, in order to develop a plague that is meant to destroy all life.

It's their own people now? Interesting. Where? I thought Wrynn driving his people to such poverty that they ate mud or migrated to warzones was harsh. Or night elves twisting nature to grow Teldrassil for the sake of returning their immortality was selfish.

A plague to destroy all life? Manabombs can be used to destroy all life. Spells are used to destroy life. Swords are used to destroy life. Any weapon is as good as any other, it's the user's intent that matters. And you have nothing on Forsaken's goals. They want only Lordaeron, judging by game and not by fanboyish rants.

[Deleted]

There was a thread just like this about a week ago...Lordaeron belongs to the people that already lived there, there's nothing to reclaim.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...laim+lordaeron

[Curanhadin]

I voted no because it wont happen in WoW maybe if a WoW2 is ever done but otherwise never will happen.

[bohapjut]

That "non-Lordaeron native" freed them from the Lick King and they made her their Queen. That is a simple fact. She then led them in the retaking of their rightful home. Even tho it was a human who killed them all and used them to 'murdered their friends, family and rulers in order to seize control and then twisted them to their side'. We can thank the Draenei for all that as well. Thanks to them leading the Burning Legion to Ner'zhul.

Ah, so the Draenei are again the root of all evil, good to know where you stand.

The Undercity is in lore a vast maze-like laybrinth of dungeons and corridors sprawling out from underneath the city, the home-field advantage for those who lived there and knew the layout would be pretty big since you could strike from the shadows from the dark corridors

[Combatbutler]

It's their own people now? Interesting. Where?

The Apothecary experimented on their own kind in order to test the strain, if no scourge was available, it is in Arthas rise of the Lich king, page 245-246.

Does it matter to anyone? "Good guys" do the same, they just spend more time justifying it.

Other races don't get that extreme, but the forsaken simply are that way. They are humans, who discarded morality. Not that this is a bad thing, such a race always adds possible twists in lore.

[Syferite]

You have Stormwind, a massive kingdom that is well protected by mountains and with one of the greatest ports in game, but your surroundings lands are being ravaged by undead, the brotherhood and remnants of the Dark Horde.

The Night's Watch have had to fend off attacks from the undead and feral worgen by themselves.
Westfall is a shithole of poverty and crime, and nearly everyone there hates the King.
And Lakeshire had to hold back an entire invading force of Orcs with the aid of FIVE people.

That's not even the icing on the cake yet. No one, other than a small group of people, have done anything with the Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge. The Alliance doesn't even have a hold on the Badlands. Which is quite pathetic when you consider these 3 zones are located between a great Dwarven and Human Kingdom.

Even the Wetlands and Arathi Highlands are in a complete state of shit.

So really? Set up a force to invade Lordaeron when the situation in your surrounding lands is abyssal?

I don't think it's so much of the playerbase fault as it is Blizzard's fault however. I get that they wanted to make your toon a hero that is the savior of these lands, but the total lack of regard Stormwind has for its neighboring zones is disgusting. Why on Earth would they send resources to gain a foothold in Andorhal when people are dying of starvation in Westfall? It just makes zero tactical sense.

So in return the Alliance playerbase still clings on to their only source of good lore, since the alternatives has been taken a shit on by Blizzard. Honestly, the Alliance should just start demanding for their own source of lore instead of lore that is intervened with the Horde. Cleanse Karazhan, fortify Nethergarde, restore Loch Modan and Arathi Highlands, eliminate the Dark Horde. This is what the Alliance on the EK should be focused on.

[yetgdhfgh]

Ive said this before but the forsaken would rather nuke the place with plague then let the humans retake the city

The City is dead just let the forsaken have it and leave them alone

[KaPe]

Ive said this before but the forsaken would rather nuke the place with plague then let the humans retake the city

The City is dead just let the forsaken have it and leave them alone

They aren't going to be left alone since they actively spread undeath in order to "bolster their ranks". No sane leader is going to tolerate a neighbour who will keep killing their people and turn them into walking dead.