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    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    You fail to see how they HATE being forsaken, and yet inflict it on others. Hypocrites much? The reason they hated Arthas was because of what he did by raising them. Putress was Forsaken, just because he betrayed Sylvanus doesn't mean she doesn't have that sentiment. Looking at wc3 and all of the forsaken stuff is that they hate the living and wish death to them.
    Yes every Forsaken hated to live as an undead. But after time this disappears. Lets take two examples Sylvanas and Lilian Voss. In "Arthas Rise of the Lich King" novel Sylvanas's sorrow, torment is described very very good. How she screams in Silvermoon not able to hold her Pain and almost killing every living being there. She hated every single spectral step she made. She hated voices inside her head she hated Arthas and Lich king she hated herself. But later it became bearable and she found strength within herself to reclaim her body and in perfect moment Sabotage Arthas. She found power in herself to break free from weakened Lich King and to enslave Varimatras and kill his brethren with his hand and to Take Lordaeron for her to Forge new Undead.

    Lilian Voss was just a scared girl when you meet her in starting zone of Forsaken. She was let down by all people she used to know and love when she was alove but she found power in herself and killed everyone who turned back on her. He opposed Darkmaster Gandling in Scholomance to stop evil force.

    What I mean is that in life sometimes things happen that we dont want and it destroys us from inside, but the fact is that we must look forward how can we continue our lives.

    Rising dead man is not a crime. killing them to rise them as forsaken that is. That was difference between Scourge and Forsaken. Arthas killed everyone to make army. Sylvanas uses dead bodies to keep decent numbers of Forsaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    DK's under the LK didn't have free will. They chose to join him, but after that, they were under his control.

    When the Lich King’s control of his death knights was broken, his former champions sought revenge for the horrors committed under his command.
    Most of them didn't chossed to join, they were others champions that fought against the Lich King and then they were rezzed as Dks (At the Dk starting zone, when you get the quest to kill a guy inside a house he explain to you that you are being controlled, that you died, and was rezzed by the LK under his command, and that you have to regain control..., after the DKs got their Free Will back they created the Ebon Blade and fought against the LK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    Yes every Forsaken hated to live as an undead. But after time this disappears. Lets take two examples Sylvanas and Lilian Voss. In "Arthas Rise of the Lich King" novel Sylvanas's sorrow, torment is described very very good. How she screams in Silvermoon not able to hold her Pain and almost killing every living being there. She hated every single spectral step she made. She hated voices inside her head she hated Arthas and Lich king she hated herself. But later it became bearable and she found strength within herself to reclaim her body and in perfect moment Sabotage Arthas. She found power in herself to break free from weakened Lich King and to enslave Varimatras and kill his brethren with his hand and to Take Lordaeron for her to Forge new Undead.

    Lilian Voss was just a scared girl when you meet her in starting zone of Forsaken. She was let down by all people she used to know and love when she was alove but she found power in herself and killed everyone who turned back on her. He opposed Darkmaster Gandling in Scholomance to stop evil force.

    What I mean is that in life sometimes things happen that we dont want and it destroys us from inside, but the fact is that we must look forward how can we continue our lives.

    Rising dead man is not a crime. killing them to rise them as forsaken that is. That was difference between Scourge and Forsaken. Arthas killed everyone to make army. Sylvanas uses dead bodies to keep decent numbers of Forsaken.
    No she doesn't she kills to raise then, look at silverpine, look at western plague lands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    No she doesn't she kills to raise then, look at silverpine, look at western plague lands.
    No, she doesn't kill to raise, if you see she only kill and raise those that battle her, her enemies, she doesn't go around killing everybody she sees, she fight her enemies and then raise them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcsmith View Post
    No she doesn't she kills to raise then, look at silverpine, look at western plague lands.
    Those people where dead. And the ones you kill in the fortress with Val'kyr were just victims of War. They where in war with Forsaken. The choice was Us (forsaken) or Them (humans). On that time Forsaken fought against Worgen and Humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    Sure if I can bring Ynnead
    Khorne is invited btw. Its this part of month, but hey more lambs to slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velshin View Post
    Hey everyone, I remember some weeks ago in one of Dave Kosak interviews he said something about the new Warchief will deal with Sylvanas.

    What do you think will happen?

    To be honest it's unlikely he will kill her or something because not only she is a faction leader but one of the most popular faction leaders in Warcraft history.

    So yeah what you guys think?

    Discuss please and thanks for reading.
    I think it'd be some great drama if someone found a way to restore Sylvannas to the living and see how she'd deal with that.

    What would she do, if restored? She's been through hell.

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    Deal with what? it's not like she is really pushing anyones buttons now a days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DomesticViolence View Post
    I think it'd be some great drama if someone found a way to restore Sylvannas to the living and see how she'd deal with that.

    What would she do, if restored? She's been through hell.
    She will simply go to Silvermoon and life happily after. F*cking all day long with handsome blood elves. She would be surely longing for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    Those people where dead. And the ones you kill in the fortress with Val'kyr were just victims of War. They where in war with Forsaken. The choice was Us (forsaken) or Them (humans). On that time Forsaken fought against Worgen and Humans.
    You mean the people that she raised from the grave? like in lordaeron (the playable forsakens?), or are you talking about the bodies Sylvanas used to show Garrosh the Valkyrs power? cause they were part of the Scarlet Crusade, so they were enemies that the forsaken killed and were rezzed, and for the guys that were in the fortress were in war with the forsaken and they were losing, so they had only 2 choise, be rezzed as forsakens or be trasnformed to a worgen (Valkyrs can't raise worgens) cause they were being killed by their enemies... (you know it was a war, what did though would happen?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    She will simply go to Silvermoon and life happily after. F*cking all day long with handsome blood elves. She would be surely longing for that
    Ha I don't think it'd be that simple. She has some mental issues.She's be a bit conflicted as to what to do with the Forsaken, and would they then resent her for being alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    You mean the people that she raised from the grave? like in lordaeron (the playable forsakens?), or are you talking about the bodies Sylvanas used to show Garrosh the Valkyrs power? cause they were part of the Scarlet Crusade, so they were enemies that the forsaken killed and were rezzed, and for the guys that were in the fortress were in war with the forsaken and they were losing, so they had only 2 choise, be rezzed as forsakens or be trasnformed to a worgen (Valkyrs can't raise worgens) cause they were being killed by their enemies... (you know it was a war, what did though would happen?)
    Exactly. In my comment I Said exactly that. She is not monster like arthas. She is not Scourge killing everyone to Rise army. She is killing and rezzing only humans who are at war with her. If you read comment again you will understand that I said exactly same That you did now. Yes Im saying about humans you kill in Fortress in Silverpine Forest. (after Garrosh meeting). They need to resurrect people in order to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maxilian View Post
    Most of them didn't chossed to join, they were others champions that fought against the Lich King and then they were rezzed as Dks (At the Dk starting zone, when you get the quest to kill a guy inside a house he explain to you that you are being controlled, that you died, and was rezzed by the LK under his command, and that you have to regain control..., after the DKs got their Free Will back they created the Ebon Blade and fought against the LK)
    WC3 manual says DKs chose to join the LK.

    "The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact..."

    The PC DKs in Archerus were the newest generation of DKs. These were risen from the dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DomesticViolence View Post
    Ha I don't think it'd be that simple. She has some mental issues.She's be a bit conflicted as to what to do with the Forsaken, and would they then resent her for being alive?
    Yes of course, she will experience same what she experienced when she was brought back in life as Banshee. But this time this feeling will be doubled with responsibility for Forsaken and Hatred against Everyone. As undead she can trust No one and hate them but as Live being its bit different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spichora View Post
    Those people where dead. And the ones you kill in the fortress with Val'kyr were just victims of War. They where in war with Forsaken. The choice was Us (forsaken) or Them (humans). On that time Forsaken fought against Worgen and Humans.
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    WC3 manual says DKs chose to join the LK.

    "The Lich King offered them untold power in exchange for their services and loyalty. The weary, vengeful warriors accepted his dark pact..."

    The PC DKs in Archerus were the newest generation of DKs. These were risen from the dead.
    "A hero, that is what you once were. You stood boldly against the shadow and purchased another dawn for the world... with your life."

    That to me doesn't sound like a voluntary conversion to a death knight. Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?
    There's a difference between killing people to raise them and raising people after killing them just because their bodies are easily accessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadBroChill17 View Post
    "A hero, that is what you once were. You stood boldly against the shadow and purchased another dawn for the world... with your life."

    That to me doesn't sound like a voluntary conversion to a death knight. Just my two cents.
    Again. There's a difference between the 2nd generation (LK) DKs and the PC DKs. The original Scourge DKs during the 3rd War were corrupted paladins that chose to join the LK. The PC DKs in Archerus are a later generation of DKs that were raised from the dead.
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    she dreamt about being resurrected to life in Stormrage

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    she dreamt about being resurrected to life in Stormrage
    Knaak, invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by composemail View Post
    Oh ho ho; you'd make a good politician. Killing people to raise them isn't ok, but declaring war on them, invading Silverpine, and *then* killing them to raise them is ok?
    She didnt declared anything. These humans always fought to reclaim Lordaeron and always will ! Again the Forsaken or Humans. These territory must belong to Humans or Forsaken. This war goes on for long time ! This all began when Sylvanas took Lordaeron to make city in Undercity. Of course the has interests in whole Northern part of Eatern Kingdoms. But Silverpine is nearest one followed By gilneas both of them ar at war now. Though Gilneas war was total aggression taunting from Frosaken, and only they are to blame what happened there, But Silverpine is Different both sides started war. Humans needed Lordaeron Forsaken refused to give and in answer they took Silverpine too.
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