Lei Shen vs Lich King

[Deleted]

(I guess Lei Shen could create an infinite amount of Mogu soliders)

No, he can't, Mogu has been created by the titans, but he could create an army of Sauroks.

And since Lei Shen got his powers from a Titan and profit from titan machines (Nalak'sha) and shit, i think he would win against the Lich King.

A point where the Lich King is superior to Lei Shen : Lei Shen can die of old age, while the lich king, is immortal.

Last boss of MSV, Will of the Emperor, the titan construct machine that creates mogu......

[Zulkhan]

While very powerful, a great warrior with the "very powers of creation", Lei Shen is still inferior to the terrifc powers that the Lich King and Froustmourne combined were able to unleash. Seriously, he did 1milion of aoe damage, with nearly unlimited range and uncounterable. Tha'ts huge.

Actually the only other great enemy that was more powerful of the Lich King is the Deathwing we saw in Cataclysm (that was much more powerful compared to novels and WC2, due to the wake of C'thun and Yogg'Saron) because, instead of the Lich King, we weren't even worth of deal with him in a face-off, and needed an artifact from the past to destroy him, a feat that still required the expend of ALL the powers of the Aspects.

[Deleted]

While very powerful, a great warrior with the "very powers of creation", Lei Shen is still inferior to the terrifc powers that the Lich King and Froustmourne combined were able to unleash. Seriously, he did 1milion of aoe damage, with nearly unlimited range and uncounterable. Tha'ts huge.

Actually the only other great enemy that was more powerful of the Lich King is the Deathwing we saw in Cataclysm (that was much more powerful compared to novels and WC2, due to the wake of C'thun and Yogg'Saron) because, instead of the Lich King, we weren't even worth of deal with him in a face-off, and needed an artifact from the past to destroy him, a feat that still required the expend of ALL the powers of the Aspects.

At full power both C'thun and Yogg-Saron are stronger than the LK. And we faced also foes like Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde, Algalon. If you strictly mean the enemies we faced in their current state than its quite arguable.

[Ealyssa]

Level has nothing to do with lore.

In reality a boss being level 80 vs a boss being level 90 does not in any way make the level 80 boss weaker. Levels are merely a GAMEPLAY mechanic, not a story mechanic.

I'm not agrreing with that. While boss level may not reflect their true power. Player level reflect their war experience. A level 7 warrior is a fresh farmer who just exchanged his fork for a sword. While a 90 warrior is a fighter who have faced the most powerfull foes you can imagine, killed gods, raped a dragon aspect (or his fingertips at least ), dethroned a lich king.

IMO player level matter in lore, at least that's how I see my char.

[Zulkhan]

At full power both C'thun and Yogg-Saron are stronger than the LK. And we faced also foes like Kil'Jaeden, Archimonde, Algalon. If you strictly mean the enemies we faced in their current state than its quite arguable.

Well, it's still speculation about how much powerful C'thun and Yogg-Saron would be in their full potential. Regardless, we still have to see N'zoth and even Y'shaarj could manifest in some way, even if he's actually dead. Algalon was overall intended to be weaker than the Lich King, Kil'jaeden in a full summoned state is more powerful of the Lich King, but not that sure that he would be of Deathwing too.

[Razaron]

Kil'Jaeden hadn't fully manifested in to the world.
Archimonde the wisps destroyed him.
Algalon simply stopped fighting after you showed him your conviction.

So I wouldn't say we bested them in combat, be just won the battle and not the war(kinda thing).

I don't know too much about C'thun, Yogg-Saron and old gods, etc, etc.

Why wouldn't they be at full power when we bested them?

[Deleted]

As other people have stated:

You never defeat the LK. Tirion does.

You kill Lei Shen with 10-25 people.

Have a nice day!

[Florena]

Vastly over exaggerating, not even Archimonde could do that. The "there always must be a Lich King" line simply means that Bolvar had to become the new LK to stop the war against the Scourge, which would have continued even if leaderless.

Uther said some small part of Arthas was all that kept him from doing it. Also look at it this way: we're able to kill the Thunder King on our own, no npc help, no paladin saving us at the last second after we're literally one shot, on thousands of freed souls taking their vengeance on Lei'shen. We're able to face him on top of his lightning cube of death and defeat him in straight up combat. LK wasn't so simple.

[icausewipes]

Lei Shen wins!

Flawless Victory!

[Deleted]

Level has nothing to do with lore.

In reality a boss being level 80 vs a boss being level 90 does not in any way make the level 80 boss weaker. Levels are merely a GAMEPLAY mechanic, not a story mechanic.



Because I bet a lot of people won't get the reference:
http://www.screwattack.com/shows/ori...ku-vs-superman

Perhaps we should convince these guys to do a WoW boss battle XD

Well to be honest that link is quite inaccurate since Goku would beat superman with one of his feet's fingers. And it would be exaggeratingly too much still .

[Deleted]

Imo Kil'Jaeden > Deathwing > any old gods > Lich King > Lei Shen
something that always bothered me is how we never saw the lich king's full potential and how he kinda died by an accident ^^

[Deleted]

Well, it's still speculation about how much powerful C'thun and Yogg-Saron would be in their full potential. Regardless, we still have to see N'zoth and even Y'shaarj could manifest in some way, even if he's actually dead. Algalon was overall intended to be weaker than the Lich King, Kil'jaeden in a full summoned state is more powerful of the Lich King, but not that sure that he would be of Deathwing too.

Well I think its quite implicit that the Old Gods are the strongest evils on Azeroth. They dominated the planet and fell only after an apocalyptic war against the Titans. Even if the line "even Sargeras would pray for a swift death, if they broke out of their prisons" is controversial and maybe exaggerated, I think we're talking about a different power level than the Lich King, who is a creation of Kil'Jaeden, lieutanant of Sargeras.
I'm not sure about Algalon 1) we never defeated him 2) he was one of the most important creations of the Titans, that means something.

[Moradim]

the only reason we beat arthas was divine intervention, literally. only tirion could save us.

lei shen is downed without any external help.

[Zulkhan]

Algalon simply stopped fighting after you showed him your conviction.

More or less the same thing happened with Ra-den, still this doesn't make him more powerful of the Lich King.

[Ealyssa]

More or less the same thing happened with Ra-den, still this doesn't make him more powerful of the Lich King.

Algalon can call for Azeroth destruction. Even if it is not a "superpower" it is still the most powerfull one

[Kojo]

So 25 people killed Lei Shen, 1 person killed the Lich King and that guy got killed by a zombie dog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onWY4Q0hIjU

[Nagabane]

Lei Shen aint be havin no heroic solo videos posted on youtube!

Lich King straight gettin pwned by a Ret named Nobbel!

[Deleted]

So 25 people killed Lei Shen, 1 person killed the the Lich King and that guy got killed by a zombie dog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onWY4Q0hIjU

bow down before the incomprehensable might of ZOMBIE DOG

[Zulkhan]

Well I think its quite implicit that the Old Gods are the strongest evils on Azeroth. They dominated the planet and fell only after an apocalyptic war against the Titans. Even if the line "even Sargeras would pray for a swift death, if they broke out of their prisons" is controversial and maybe exaggerated, I think we're talking about a different power level than the Lich King, who is a creation of Kil'Jaeden, lieutanant of Sargeras.

Yeah is pretty logical. Anyway seems pretty intended that, while a creation of Kil'jaeden, the Lich King grew in power much more that he could imagine, and ofcourse, was never intended that the Lich King could have a body, a detail that made him express it's full power. Ofcourse doesn't mean that can be compared to the Old Gods in anyway, but it's still a detail that make the Lich King something more than the lab experiment creation of Kil'jaeden.

So 25 people killed Lei Shen, 1 person killed the Lich King and that guy got killed by a zombie dog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onWY4Q0hIjU

Sad story.

Lei Shen aint be havin no heroic solo videos posted on youtube!

Lich King straight gettin pwned by a Ret named Nobbel!

Let time run it's course man ! Next expansion we'll see some overpowered Blood DK owning Lei Shen blinded !

Algalon can call for Azeroth destruction. Even if it is not a "superpower" it is still the most powerfull one

Well, i think that he would had achieve that with the same "device of life extarmination" seen in Uldum, the same Deathwing tried to use, or anyway something pretty similar :P

[Nagabane]

I don't see how this is a contest. The players were able to kill Lei Shen without any kind of help, while the Lich King was simply toying with the players untill 10%. He could've easily killed everyone if he wanted too. We needed the help of both Tirion, Terenas and a major gift from The Light to defeat him.

I never saw Lei Shen as some kind of king or emperor, just an experienced warlord. He barely did anything in MoP anyway

This. Lei Shen is just another Joseph Koni.