Edward Snowden identified as source of NSA leaks

[GreatOak]

Came accross a great post on Reddit the other day here it is

Great Post by that guy. He knows what the endgame is.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Great Post by that guy. He knows what the endgame is.

Right. Sure he does.

[oblivionx]

Seems like only 6 years ago we were touting people for their whistleblowing (for much less significant things) like they were heroes. Now it's become something criminal...

How's that work exactly?

[GreatOak]

I'm going to suggest something radical here.

The terrorists don't hate freedom. They also don't perceive themselves as villains either.

And when a drone strike accidentally blows up a school bus and kills 10 children, recruiting members of those children's families becomes absurdly simple.

So have fun giving up privacy so that your government can stop people from killing you that they pissed off in the first place. If that gives you a sense of patriotic pride then good for you.

What you're saying isn't radical at all. Blowback is very real, and is one of the main reasons these terrorists exist. Their behavior is reprehensible and never justified, but they win when our government does these sorts of things to us.

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Right. Sure he does.

Keep up your happy-go-lucky demeanor as long as you want. I'm concerned about our future, and it seems like that poster is too.

[Olo]

Seems like only 6 years ago we were touting people for their whistleblowing (for much less significant things) like they were heroes. Now it's become something criminal...

How's that work exactly?

a whistleblower exposes something illegal

PRISM is allowed by law, has judicial oversight, and has supreme court precedent

he leaked classified material because he had a moral objection

[GreatOak]

Seems like only 6 years ago we were touting people for their whistleblowing (for much less significant things) like they were heroes. Now it's become something criminal...

How's that work exactly?

You know how it works and what's happened. The writing is on the wall.

[kunah]

OH, you're his son? My apologies Senator Cruz.

LOL. The instrument that could measure the wrongness of calling me Sen Cruz has yet to be invented.

Then let's just have no secrets at all. Our intelligence would be nill.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Keep up your happy-go-lucky demeanor as long as you want. I'm concerned about our future, and it seems like that poster is too.

I am to but blowing things out of proportion and being paranoid(Yes you do sound paranoid) won't secure our future either.

[oblivionx]

Terrorism occurs due to military superiority imo.

When people are warred upon and have no prayer of victory they turn to doing things that the winning side doesn't have to.

[GreatOak]

a whistleblower exposes something illegal

PRISM is allowed by law, has judicial oversight, and has supreme court precedent

Whistleblowers are not limited to releasing information concerning illegal activities. A whistleblower is anyone who releases information concerning abuses of power, dishonest activity, or information that serves the public interest.

[oblivionx]

a whistleblower exposes something illegal

PRISM is allowed by law, has judicial oversight, and has supreme court precedent

he leaked classified material because he had a moral objection

If Prizm is half as pervasive and invasive as it seems there is no way it's legal.

Lawyering something might find a niche to call it legal, but we all know it's not.

[GreatOak]

I am to but blowing things out of proportion and being paranoid(Yes you do sound paranoid) won't secure our future either.

I'm not being paranoid. I'm being vigilant. I would be paranoid if I had no reason to be concerned.

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Terrorism occurs due to military superiority imo.

When people are warred upon and have no prayer of victory they turn to doing things that the winning side doesn't have to.

That explains the tactics, not the ideology or cause. And yes, military superiority contributes to blowback.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'm not being paranoid. I'm being vigilant. I would be paranoid if I had no reason to be concerned.

Then tone down the Tyranny trump card. Seriously, I get what you're trying to prove but to say this guy wasn't foolish IMO is well just as foolish. Don't get me wrong, I don't like being spied on either and all that jazz. I find it a waste to. Doesn't mean we should suddenly decide the government is our evil enemy and the end is nigh. You seem to be coming off that way more and more. Just sayin.

[Reg]

Meh, I bet there are advertising/marketing agencies who have more information about my phone activity than the government. I don't see how people are all of a sudden up in arms when this information has existed with a price tag for years.

[looorg]

Atleast now Manning wont have to be alone in jail until the end of time ...

[Olo]

Whistleblowers are not limited to releasing information concerning illegal activities. A whistleblower is anyone who releases information concerning abuses of power, dishonest activity, or information that serves the public interest.

Seeing how its legal with judicial oversight its can't be an abuse of power, it's only dishonest in that it's secret, and it's not a direct threat to public interest

[GreatOak]

If anyone doesn't understand how serious this is, read:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...explained-aclu

[kunah]

Meh, I bet there are advertising/marketing agencies who have more information about my phone activity than the government. I don't see how people are all of a sudden up in arms when this information has existed with a price tag for years.

Because it fits in nicely with the Alex Jones type black helicopter anti gov conspiracy theory's that are in vogue now. Charge of the Knights in Tin Foil. It's just entertainment atm.

[Olo]

If Prizm is half as pervasive and invasive as it seems there is no way it's legal.

Lawyering something might find a niche to call it legal, but we all know it's not.

Truthiness is a quality characterizing a "truth" that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively "from the gut" or because it "feels right" without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.

This is you.

[Reg]

If anyone doesn't understand how serious this is, read:

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-se...explained-aclu

I hope you read more than just the highlighted spots. It says telephone metadata does not include the name, address or financial information of subscribers. So they have a list of what number calls what number, and not even names attached to them.