once we reach 50% haste as ret...

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does that mean we reach a softcap for haste? I mean, our GCD reaches 1 second then. and I can see how our spell CD's could reach a point where we're GCD capped.

[Revvo]

Won't happen any time soon. Perhaps next teir, which is why people are speculating that mastery builds may be viable next teir.

[Bizerk]

Actually people already have almost 50% in raids. After that you just dump in your second best stat, don't see how it can be named a mastery build in that sense.

[Revvo]

Actually people already have almost 50% in raids. After that you just dump in your second best stat, don't see how it can be named a mastery build in that sense.

I assumed we were talking unbuffed.

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Actually people already have almost 50% in raids.

Not rly. +10% is taken as attack speed. Eventhough tooltip shows more haste (in my case 47%), it's not making abilities cds and gcd shorter.
(I'd like to be wrong here, but havnt seen any change of unbuffed CS cd and raidbuffed CS cd)

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BL with some trinket procs can make GCD like 0.5 second

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Always thought for paladins the limit is 1sec @ 50% haste - seemed to me exceptions were DK, rogues, and probly cats.
Well. I need next 6 years of playing probably

[Nillo]

BL with some trinket procs can make GCD like 0.5 second

.5 gcd = 200% haste.

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.5 gcd = 200% haste.

In current expansion closest scenario would be hero + darkmist vortex proc after returning from garajal* with well stacked buff, but doubt it would be more than 130-150% (but cba to calc it).
Still seems to me it's limited to 1sec - CDs of abilities will still go down, but GCD wont.

* I always mix names of Haggara with Gara'jal. Damn totems.

[Bizerk]

Not rly. +10% is taken as attack speed. Eventhough tooltip shows more haste (in my case 47%), it's not making abilities cds and gcd shorter.
(I'd like to be wrong here, but havnt seen any change of unbuffed CS cd and raidbuffed CS cd)

This maybe be true, regardless it is possible (not optimal, however) to get up to 40-45% haste with current gear, so next tier will most definitely allow up to 50%. Regardless more haste, including the attack speed buff will still allow more art of war procs which may lower mastery's value a tiny bit.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

53% haste or something raidbuffed + 5 haste stacks on primordius + lust.
Lord have mercy.

[Aceshigh]

53% haste or something raidbuffed + 5 haste stacks on primordius + lust.
Lord have mercy.

I was tanking this week, got 5 stacks of haste right in a row. Upon the 5th stack of the same buff you get a bad debuff, g fuckin g haha. 4 haste stacks and a different one would be unreal though.

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is it actually possible to affect the type of buff you get from Primordius? I mean, If I could get 4 stacks of haste and 1 of mastery reliable, I'd piss myself of happiness.

[Nillo]

Afaik it's completely random - the only thing you can do is purge the first few stacks if they're all bad but that's usually just a waste of blood pools.

[Rivin]

BL with some trinket procs can make GCD like 0.5 second

No, the GCD is hard-capped at 1 second. The only way to go below that is with things that specifically reduce it below 1 second like the rogue set bonus.

[Reith]

This maybe be true, regardless it is possible (not optimal, however) to get up to 40-45% haste with current gear, so next tier will most definitely allow up to 50%. Regardless more haste, including the attack speed buff will still allow more art of war procs which may lower mastery's value a tiny bit.

It won't. Art of War isn't going to sway haste after unbuffed 50%. It will be mastery all the way after that point. It's already viable (for me at least) to go mastery instead of haste for really short fights, but I can't be bothered with all that on farm content.

[celinamuna]

Not rly. +10% is taken as attack speed. Eventhough tooltip shows more haste (in my case 47%), it's not making abilities cds and gcd shorter.
(I'd like to be wrong here, but havnt seen any change of unbuffed CS cd and raidbuffed CS cd)

Actually even in normal mode gear, and w/o the haste 2hnd weapon i'm sitting at 40% unbuffed haste, so i'd assume that the people in heroic gear (possibly tf) are at 50% or past that.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

I was tanking this week, got 5 stacks of haste right in a row. Upon the 5th stack of the same buff you get a bad debuff, g fuckin g haha. 4 haste stacks and a different one would be unreal though.

no you dont?

[thunderdragon2]

Won't happen any time soon. Perhaps next teir, which is why people are speculating that mastery builds may be viable next teir.

with raid buffs my guildie is at 47% haste and im at 45% and were just starting on hardmodes atm

[Revvo]

with raid buffs my guildie is at 47% haste and im at 45% and were just starting on hardmodes atm

Again, I was talking Unbuffed.