Is it me or is elemental falling behind more and more?

[Deleted]

I've always considered myself as a good elemental shaman, have been playing it for over 5 years now with multiple rankings at wol.
Most of the time I was in the top 5 dps at least in our 25m raid (9/13hc atm). You can find my armory below.
Since the start of mop until now, elemental burst used to be one of the best in the whole raid, but thats not true anymore (at least for me). I've noticed it even more yesterday when we were working on durumu hc. And Im not even talking about our enhancement, who bursts >600k repeatedly.
My max burst is around 450k dps, but after ascendance my dps falls heavily and after two minutes or so Im only at around 220k dps, while others still hover at ~250-260 and I fall to #10 in our dps meter (until the ice walls come, but thats another point).
Here is the log for your tries yesterday:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-18mq71hc0e2snpde/

TL;DR: I feel like ele shamans are lacking at single target and it's getting worse the more gear we all get, since other classes seem to be scaling much more efficiently.

[kubuntu]

i see Ele shaman 1st on your logs so see no problem

[Angrysteel]

Elemental is performing perfectly fine imo, better than i can could have imagined. Feel free to look through my logs to see how i compare to other classes. We are a fairly competitive guild, barely missed out on a top 20 US (heroic 25) clear.

Jin'rokh
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-8e.../?s=814&e=1003
Finished second behind a mage.

Horridon
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-8e...?s=1887&e=2484
Finished 3rd behind shadow priest and BM tank.

Council
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-8e...?s=3365&e=3751
Finished 3rd behind BM tank and fire mage.

Tortos
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-8e...?s=6260&e=6658
Finished 10th, kiting strat, very little bat damage.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/vpmyd...um/damageDone/
Finished number 1 the week after, no kiting, just killing bats as they come down. Huge difference depending on strat.

Megaera
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/82e42...?s=6001&e=6386
Finished 3rd behind Boomkin / Shadowpriest (BTW LOLOLOL at the venomous head damage).

Ji'kun
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/82e42...?s=7650&e=7953
Finished number 1.

Durumu
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/82e42...?s=9359&e=9756
Number 2, behind a BM Monk tank. (Can any class beat BM tanks atm? I know our BM tank has a number 1 for all parses not just his class on several fights).

Primo
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xh...?s=2933&e=3376
8th, tho if you can get yourself assigned to chaining down adds, easy number 1. (tho this will be mostly padding in reality).

Iron Qon
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/uespf...um/damageDone/
Number 3, beat by a BM Monk and a Mage.

Twin Consorts
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hm...e/?s=232&e=731
Number 4, behind boomkin / shadow priest and a monk tank.

Lei Shen
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-zv...?s=3527&e=4170
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hm...?s=6002&e=6661
Top 3, three weeks in a row.

Ra-den
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/ik3nh...ne/?s=66&e=479
Finished 7th.


In 5.2 i would have totally agreed with you about Elemental Shaman performing poorly and falling behind. But here in 5.3, i honestly cant remember a better time than now to be raiding as elemental. Too many fights we are very strong in, and only a small handful of fights where we kinda suck (and even in those fights it has more to do with strat than ele being bad).

[Deleted]

I know that we are performing well, maybe Im just whining at a high level, because I always want to be the first in our dps meter. :P

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-qee1vq4ojdtig513/

As you can see in this log, on the bosses where I joined, Im quite high in the rankings.

Council 3rd behind 2 locks (one with legendary cloak)
Tortos 11th, due to (almost) no bat cleave and just single targeting the turtles.
Megaera 1st with add cleaving only when heads were down.
Ji-Kin 3rd

The only thing that bothers me, is that I don't have as much burst anymore like other classes. Maybe I could try switching back to PE, EM instead of EB/EotE.

[Deleted]

If there is any sort of 3 target or more cleaving on a fight, elemental is in a good/strong place.

[Deleted]

IMO (and I am no pro) I would look at your reforge/ gemming.....You could go so much more haste out of your gear and from my experience/ reading others experience on these forums haste is so much better....

A few quick notes from what I have done/ you haven't:

yellow sockets use 320 haste
red sockets use int / haste
change your leg enchant for the int/crit one rather than int/ spirit (when you change the belt gem slot from an int to haste you will still reach hit cap due to bonus)
your also missing one of your JC Gems which is important!

[Deleted]

Mhh okay, Ill think about going for more haste... I always thought int > haste/mastery, but Im not sure at which gear point int isnt 2x worth haste or mastery anymore.

And yeah, I noticed the thing with the jc gem, I just switched 2 items in the last days and forgot the replace the JC gem.

[Deleted]

Elemental is performing perfectly fine imo, better than i can could have imagined. Feel free to look through my logs to see how i compare to other classes. We are a fairly competitive guild, barely missed out on a top 20 US (heroic 25) clear.



In 5.2 i would have totally agreed with you about Elemental Shaman performing poorly and falling behind. But here in 5.3, i honestly cant remember a better time than now to be raiding as elemental. Too many fights we are very strong in, and only a small handful of fights where we kinda suck (and even in those fights it has more to do with strat than ele being bad).

Hey Angrysteel, I see that you use PE on all boss fights... would you be so kind as to tell me if and on which boss you glyph fire elemental totem, please?

[Deleted]

25 heroic

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

10 heroic

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

We're still in the lower bracket, and will probably stay there just because of our scaling issues (will get worse in 5.4). We're doing decent off-healing and have stormlash though, but I'm fairly sure those shouldn't matter when measuring dps (according to someone at blizzard.)

Very good on multi target fights where you can CL ofcourse, bad on multidot fights. The thing is that elemental shamans are quite an easy spec to play, so playing it close to perfection is fairly simple. Some other classes are however alot more complex and if you're not playing with super good players they will usually underperform, thus making it look like elemental shamans are in a better place.

[Gendori]

25 heroic

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

10 heroic

http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_D...14/60/default/

We're still in the lower bracket, and will probably stay there just because of our scaling issues (will get worse in 5.4). We're doing decent off-healing and have stormlash though, but I'm fairly sure those shouldn't matter when measuring dps (according to someone at blizzard.)

Very good on multi target fights where you can CL ofcourse, bad on multidot fights. The thing is that elemental shamans are quite an easy spec to play, so playing it close to perfection is fairly simple. Some other classes are however alot more complex and if you're not playing with super good players they will usually underperform, thus making it look like elemental shamans are in a better place.

Since the lava burst change, we dont really have scaling issues....if you look at the stat weights of elemental (especially with EB+EoTE) vs that of otger classes youll see that we are actually scaling better than most

[Angrysteel]

Hey Angrysteel, I see that you use PE on all boss fights... would you be so kind as to tell me if and on which boss you glyph fire elemental totem, please?

I dont glyph Fire Elemental on any fights. Used to glyph it on like Jin'rokh but since we are killing it in under 3 min now there is no point. Might think about glyphing it on Horridon, maybe. Last week we ignored Jalak completely and i think we had some adds up from the 4th door but decided to just burn Horridon. He drops so fast now i dont think i got the full minute out of the fire ele.

[Ishootboltz]

Just curious but why do you choose PE over EB? Is it just preference or?

[Deleted]

Well from my PoV PE is more braindead skill + Earth Elemental Reinforce is handy.

[snaxattax]

elemental is competitive most fights, and is extremely strong on ji-kun nests, durumu and lei shen (especially if your guild doesn't have many warlocks). plus you can symbiosis them for an extra solar flare, which is very nice.

also your raidbots is somewhat misleading, as you're getting another .1-.2%ish raid dps (depending on comp, etc) per shaman out of stormlash. though this doesn't seem like much, when you look at most raid's total dps, that's more than enough to push them between DK's and balance druids on that chart.

if the stormlash totem itself did the damage instead of the damage credit going to each target buffed by stormlash, there would be much less qq over shaman dps.

[Deleted]

I dont glyph Fire Elemental on any fights. Used to glyph it on like Jin'rokh but since we are killing it in under 3 min now there is no point. Might think about glyphing it on Horridon, maybe. Last week we ignored Jalak completely and i think we had some adds up from the 4th door but decided to just burn Horridon. He drops so fast now i dont think i got the full minute out of the fire ele.

Which fight are you using EB on or always using PE? And why so much mastery, I know its better for AoE. But are you also using this build with massive mastery gems on single target fights?

[Deleted]

I personally use PE on all fights, I have read guides/ reports on when I should use EB over PE but IMO I don't see that much difference to warent changing on a fight basis. Maybe that's because I'm in just a small time raider in a small time guild and I am not pushed to squeeze every 1/ 2k out of me....BUT I am already topping metres and sitting high 80%/ low 90% (WoL) in most fights so relatively happy with where I am atm...... BUT Like I say I havent had the chance to raid beside another Ele shammy so dont know if I am good or bad tbh.

[Deleted]

also your raidbots is somewhat misleading, as you're getting another .1-.2%ish raid dps (depending on comp, etc) per shaman out of stormlash. though this doesn't seem like much, when you look at most raid's total dps, that's more than enough to push them between DK's and balance druids on that chart.

if the stormlash totem itself did the damage instead of the damage credit going to each target buffed by stormlash, there would be much less qq over shaman dps.

That's why i mentioned that we have stormlash. Blizzard have stated that healing cooldowns and dps cooldown for the raid such as skull banners and stormlashes should not interfere with your personal dps, which means that it should act as a bonus and you should not be nerfed because you have a raid cd.

[Kuniku]

I remember when shamans were all about buffing the party they were with... good old TBC days ^__^

[Ellger]

Yeah it was awesome giving 3% crit and some spell power for being billion dps behind ;p.

[Ferg]

Yeah it was awesome giving 3% crit and some spell power for being billion dps behind ;p.

windfury totem was pretty much mandatory in every group, leading to huge shaman rep in raids