Indeed, and it was under Varians order that all the gnomes started strip-mining and deforesting Krasarang. And Doren was still serving the Alliance, along with a lot of other officers who weren't directly influenced by the Sha who could've said no or tried to stop him from enslaving Pandaren children - however they did not.
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I'm not sure your reading capabilities are as good as you might think.... Not once did I mention my "feelings", I simply state facts. Garrosh is the Warchief yes, however he has absolutely no say anymore, only his Gestapo-like Kor'kron, mercenaries, Dark Shaman and beasts are under his command currently, where as everyone other race and member of the Horde seeks his death. Warchief or not, he does not represent the Horde - if he did, the Horde itself wouldn't have risen to defeat him.
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If there's one thing that we've learned over the last two expansions it's that people don't act out against their leaders until it's too late. It doesn't mean they persoanlly agree with him.
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No you state your opinions as fact.
Who the fuck is Doren ?
You're confusing what I'm saying. Doren was not acting under Varian, it doesn't mean he's not Alliance or not representative of the Alliance's flaws either. But he is not the leader who represents and governs his people. Varian is and he has spoken otherwise. Garrosh on the other hand is Warchief of the Horde - he is the Horde.
I like Taran'zhu. And I feel bad for him I hope he doesn't die.
That's not an opinion - it's a fact that the rest of the Horde doesn't see Garrosh as their leader, nor even as a member of the Horde anymore -they see him as something evil that's corrupting their own code of honour and mindset, and that he needs to be removed.
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Exactly - he doesn't even associate himself with the Horde anymore, in his world the True Horde is orcs, orcs orcs and the occasional "monster of the week".
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You never thought that maybe he was written to be somewhat unlikable? That not all characters in a story are made to be stand-up citizens the crowd will adore and relate to?
Doren was acting under Varian. He was send to Pandaria under direct orders from Varian himself.
And no, Garrosh is not the Horde - he doesn't associate himself with it, nor does the Horde associate it with him. It's all about his "True Horde" now.
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We aren't. Just stating that he was an Alliance leader, commiting crimes against Pandaria in the name of the Alliance, thus a reason as to why Zhu doesn't like the Alliance either.
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Taran Zhu is an amazing character. He has more depth than most of the characters thusfar introduced to the lore.
Seems like to me a lot of people dislike the fact that he constantly is pointing out the fact that we're fucking up his continent. The thing they don't realize is that he is right.
Yeah...Garrosh does that in 5.4. Sorry, Horde players, you don't get to retroactively dismiss all Garrosh has done simply because now he's finally crossed a line. That isn't how it works.Doren was acting under Varian. He was send to Pandaria under direct orders from Varian himself.
And no, Garrosh is not the Horde - he doesn't associate himself with it, nor does the Horde associate it with him. It's all about his "True Horde" now.