Why not just keep Garrosh as Warchief?

[Venziir]

Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.

Because he was insane and a threat to the world BEFORE even toying with the Heart of Y'shaarj. He isn't possessed by the Sha though, nor is he possessed by Y'shaarj, he wields the power like a weapon.

[JudgePayne]

Yeah? Well he didn't treat his allies like shit like lower then shit even.

Weren't groms allies mostly orcs tho, I would say put him in a group with goblins, belfs, undead and trolls and he would probably be just as racist towards the other horde races.

[Deleted]

That would be like not killing the emperor and leaving him ruling over the senate...he is just to dangerous to be left alive.
At the beginning, when they announced, that Garrosh would be the Boss of SoO and the final raid boss, i thought, ok, maybe we can punch some sense into him, so he can become a general again, but quickly, very quickly it became clear, that he is evil inside, and just a bad person.

[Deleted]

Fuck that hes a disgrace to the Hellscream blood line is all I'm going to say.

Really? Didn't Grom do pretty much the same thing in warcraft3? The only difference is Grom came good in the end Garrosh hasn't had that chance yet (the whole father like son saying comes to mind)

[Deleted]

Really? Didn't Grom do pretty much the same thing in warcraft3? The only difference is Grom came good in the end Garrosh hasn't had that chance yet (the whole father like son saying comes to mind)

THe differance is that Grom accepted the demonic corruption as means to defeat Cenarious or his clan were not likely going to survive in Ashenvale; which later also curropted his mind.
Garrosh however, up to this point has done all out of his own free will, it's only during the last stages of the encounter that he finally embraces corruption orf Old God heart he brought back from Pandaria.

[Tydrane]

Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.

You know aside from the crazy war crimes, Garrosh is a competent leader. Remember he's the reason Orgrimmar is a bustling city with food and grog, and not a line of straw tents dying of famine.

Well, for starters, basically every Horde player hates him with a passion. Killing Garrosh is the last resort in a long line of Blizzard trying to tell us that we really do like him, we just don't know it.

Garrosh is not a competent leader, either. He's a reckless aggressor who never thinks more than one step ahead. On numerous occasions, he's shown to be completely ignorant of the actions of his forces until it's too late (Krom'gar in Stonetalon), and exercises nothing more than superficial control over others (Sylvanas and the Forsaken, the Sunreaver Onslaught). He's been stooged by other prominent characters (Saurfang in Borean Tundra as a positive example, Magatha Grimtotem as a negative example) who appear to regard whatever level of command he holds as an inconvenience or mild irritant to be circumvented in order to achieve more important goals.

Sure, he's provided food and resources for Orgrimmar, but he took the "easy" way out, a way that further stoked reignited tensions between the Alliance and Horde that were instigated by the return of Varian and the events at the Wrathgate. The harder way would have been to claim territory recently rendered arable in central Durotar, west of Razor Hill, for farmland, as well as other parts of The Barrens. He re-settled the Bilgewater Cartel goblins in Azshara, leading to the pollution of Southfury River, rather than use its apparent ideal conditions to establish more farmlands. Instead of doing the hard work of setting all this up, Garrosh just stole the work that others had already done, a constant trope throughout his appearances in WoW - taking the glory for the accomplishments of others.

[Donald Hellscream]

THe differance is that Grom accepted the demonic corruption as means to defeat Cenarious or his clan were not likely going to survive in Ashenvale; which later also curropted his mind.
Garrosh however, up to this point has done all out of his own free will, it's only during the last stages of the encounter that he finally embraces corruption orf Old God heart he brought back from Pandaria.

His audio files suggests that even in the last stages he is still in control, hell blizzard even said he is in full control all throughout the encounter.

[Hyve]

What is it with you starting stupid threads? Do you get off on it?

Your GTA thread was: I loved the game, and others did, but was it too highly rated?!

Now this thread is: Garrosh is a War Criminal, that we've known now for the last year we're going to dispose of in some way, but maybe we should keep him?

Keep it civil

[Trassk]

this thread just proves it that no matter how bad garrosh got, no matter how twisted his ambition is, even if he was to start eating babies because it gave him power, there would always be people to defend him, or generally ignore outside the bad things he's doing in favor of only seeing surface material.

[Combatbutler]

Yeah? Well he didn't treat his allies like shit like lower then shit even.

I remember having to free trolls from cages after he decided to drink demon blood again, just sayin;P

[Deleted]

Because he's already FUBAR.

[Nurabashi]

Why not just pound the Sha out of him, lecture him, he becomes a better Orc, and resumes his seat as a more passive Warchief? There are already too many quests and events related around Garrosh as a Warchief, so I'm not sure how those would play out with him deceased.

One would think it is because he is too "evil". Sound familiar Salandrin?

[Deleted]

His audio files suggests that even in the last stages he is still in control, hell blizzard even said he is in full control all throughout the encounter.

And... I said he wasn't?
I never did.
But than again at that point it wouldn't make much differance.

[Exeris]

this thread just proves it that no matter how bad garrosh got, no matter how twisted his ambition is, even if he was to start eating babies because it gave him power, there would always be people to defend him, or generally ignore outside the bad things he's doing in favor of only seeing surface material.

Didn't need this thread to prove that, been going on long before this game was created.

[Deleted]

THe differance is that Grom accepted the demonic corruption as means to defeat Cenarious or his clan were not likely going to survive in Ashenvale; which later also curropted his mind.
Garrosh however, up to this point has done all out of his own free will, it's only during the last stages of the encounter that he finally embraces corruption orf Old God heart he brought back from Pandaria.

And why embrace it? As a means to an end Grom wanted nothing more than to pound the alliance its only thrall orders and guidance that stoped him well... Till thrall left for the oracle with cairne

---------- Post added 2013-07-02 at 01:40 PM ----------

THe differance is that Grom accepted the demonic corruption as means to defeat Cenarious or his clan were not likely going to survive in Ashenvale; which later also curropted his mind.
Garrosh however, up to this point has done all out of his own free will, it's only during the last stages of the encounter that he finally embraces corruption orf Old God heart he brought back from Pandaria.

And why embrace it? As a means to an end Grom wanted nothing more than to pound the alliance its only thrall orders and guidance that stoped him well... Till thrall left for the oracle with cairne

[Aleksej89]

We just want to kill the brown bastard.

It is not even about the lore or the story anymore - his ugly face is so much EVERYWHERE that we just want to rip it off his head and never see it again.

Garrosh will be executed in 5.4 and will be as forgotten as how the old vanilla empty silithus looked like before they added Cthun...

[leaks]

this thread just proves it that no matter how bad garrosh got, no matter how twisted his ambition is, even if he was to start eating babies because it gave him power, there would always be people to defend him, or generally ignore outside the bad things he's doing in favor of only seeing surface material.

Not really when you consider the OP is the same person who makes threads about how all orcs should die for being rapists and monsters. Pretty sure he just likes to watch people argue and see how many people he can get infracted when they call him out on his nonsense. I'm sure this thread will end with him making suicide threats again.

[Deleted]

At the beginng of the fight Garrosh is not corrupted, he corrupts himself after a while with the dark heart of pandaria and the sha of pride. And he is not a good orc, he will never be. He choose it...

[Maxilian]

You know aside from the crazy war crimes, Garrosh is a competent leader. Remember he's the reason Orgrimmar is a bustling city with food and grog, and not a line of straw tents dying of famine.

Just Orgrimmar..., remenber that Garrosh is the leader of the Horde..., not the leader of the Orcs...

[Trassk]

Not really when you consider the OP is the same person who makes threads about how all orcs should die for being rapists and monsters. Pretty sure he just likes to watch people argue and see how many people he can get infracted when they call him out on his nonsense. I'm sure this thread will end with him making suicide threats again.

true, very true.