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    Indeed. 760 is looking to be the champ for the $250 bracket and 770 is holding it's own against 7970 Ghz in the $399 bracket.
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    Cheapest 770 is $400, cheapest 7970 GHz is $350 + 4 games included (may or may not be of value to someone).

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    Sapphire's 7970 Ghz is a definite outlier - not saying people shouldn't grab the deal while the can, it's fantastic, but doesn't change the fact that in no way does it reflect 7970 Ghz's average price in the average store.

    Top 6 cheapest HD7970 Ghz on Newegg:
    Sapphire - $350
    XFX Double D - $419
    Gigabyte WF - $449
    HIS - $449
    MSI Lightning - $499
    Asus DCII - $499
    Average - $463 (Sapphire as an outlier)
    Average - $444 (Sapphire counted in)

    Top 6 cheapest GTX 770 on Newegg:
    Gigabyte WF - $399
    MSI TF- $399
    Galaxy- $399
    Zotac- $399
    Asus DCII - $409
    EVGA ACX - $409
    Average - $402

    You get the idea. The majority of 7970 Ghz retailers haven't caught-on to 770's existence yet - hell, I don't think they're aware of what is happening with 680 prices at the moment.

    GTX 680 prices for giggles:
    Asus DCII - $419
    EVGA Sig - $419
    MSI - $419
    MSI TF - $419
    Gigabyte WF - $419
    PNY - $419
    Zotac AMP - $419
    Average - $419

    .....well then :P
    Feel free to add Sapphire HD7970 Ghz as a recommendation in sample builds because right now nothing beats it in price/performance in the $350 segment. But do keep in mind that GTX770 is not far off, is a newer card and prices in general are going to be a bit roller-coastery over the next month or two as the market adjusts itself to 770 and 760.
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    Don't forget that on Newegg the 7970 from Sapphire (non-ghz) is $309 post-rebate and includes the 4 free games, still

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    Then the $250 760 (no games) is on par with the 7970 (non GHz) in quite a few games (1080p). All the cards mentioned have it's place, it's also clear the build samples haven't been adjusted for some time so I'm sure it's something Marest will get around to at some point. Don't forget they're just sample builds.

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    The benefit the 7970 has over the 760 is a lovely big membus that would allow one to go up above 1080p gaming.
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    Wait, I'm confused, given a resolution of exclusively 1920x1080, what is the best single-card price-for-performance option? The $350 7970 GHz? The $309/329 7970? The $250 760? Or the $400 770?

    Now, given a resolution of 5760x1080 and the desire for SLI/XFIRE for said 3monitor setup, what becomes the best dual-card setup in terms of price-for-performance? $800 770 SLI vs $618 7970 xfire vs $700 7970 Ghz xfire vs $500 760 SLI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    The benefit the 7970 has over the 760 is a lovely big membus that would allow one to go up above 1080p gaming.
    Why are you comparing a $250 card to a card which averages ~$350-399 (or even the $310 Sapphire one)? 7970 always beats 760 regardless of resolution or game lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ripox View Post
    Wait, I'm confused, given a resolution of exclusively 1920x1080, what is the best single-card price-for-performance option? The $350 7970 GHz? The $309/329 7970? The $250 760? Or the $400 770?
    You go by price bracket since even at 1080p some games can get incredibly demanding (Metro/Crysis). At $250 the GTX760 is an easy winner for most games at 1080p.
    For heavier games the Sapphire 7970 Ghz ($350) is the clear winner at 1080p, but you are purely limited to Sapphire one because every other brand's 7970 Ghz is $420-450+. Sapphire 7970 (non-Ghz) is also fine while it's at $310 I guess, good deal. These are all different price segments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ripox View Post
    Now, given a resolution of 5760x1080 and the desire for SLI/XFIRE for said 3monitor setup, what becomes the best dual-card setup in terms of price-for-performance? $800 770 SLI vs $618 7970 xfire vs $700 7970 Ghz xfire vs $500 760 SLI?
    770 SLI or single 780 tri-screen gaming. I'd probably lean towards the 780 for the smoothest experience, you're never going to max-out a heavy game at that resolution while maintaining 60+ fps anyway.

    Crossfire is out of the question until we see some results from the July 31st stutter-fixer-driver.
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    Edit: nevermind

    thanks and sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripox View Post
    I'm sure the $1000 Titan beats the 7970, too. That doesn't mean I should pick the Titan for 1920x1080 gaming, now does it? I mentioned price for performance. If you get the same performance at 1080p from a 760 as you do a 7970Ghz, then whats the point of the 7970ghz at 1080p?

    Thats why I presented the two scenarios and asked for price for performance

    Please read my post carefully
    Who's post are you replying to? I accurately answered your questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripox View Post
    I'm sure the $1000 Titan beats the 7970, too. That doesn't mean I should pick the Titan for 1920x1080 gaming, now does it? I mentioned price for performance. If you get the same performance at 1080p from a 760 as you do a 7970Ghz, then whats the point of the 7970ghz at 1080p?

    Thats why I presented the two scenarios and asked for price for performance

    Please read my post carefully
    You don't get the same performance, I said you get similar performance to a 7970 (non-GHz edition), the 7970 still wins in some games but it's fairly close. Also with the introduction of the "7itan" (780) at $650 that kinda makes the real $1000 Titan obsolete (few exceptions).

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    megafail, I thought your reply pre-edit was a response to mine, didn't see the quoted post o.o

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    when r we going to see an updated list with the new generation tech
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    Are you missing anything? You can always start a new thread if you're building new. I'm guessing he might just be busy, it's a lot of work and research getting it right. He did say:

    - Overhaul of some builds when the new GPUs hit the market (late 2013).
    I'm sure we'll hear something soon enough

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    Sample builds updated! Sorry about the rather long wait time, it's summer and that means two things for me; twice as much work and spending as much free time as possible out in the sun with friends and family.


    Anyway...
    We've seen some interesting new releases the past few months with intel's Haswell and nVidia's GTX 700-series. This has resulted in an overhaul of some of the less-budget oriented builds. Nothing that will surprise really; the 4670k will slowly take over the 3570k as we see prices normalize and the 700-series will find their place where the 600-series were before.

    I've dropped in a A8-5600K in one of the extreme budget builds. I believe it is a pretty cheap yet capable alternative at the ~$450 mark. Also, the higher end builds have had their price/performance ratios altered slightly due to a bigger/better SSD and/or better quality components. The peripherals suggestions also had a slight update adding Microphones and Operating Systems as two new categories.


    Recommending Haswell:
    The 4670k, the successor to the 3570k, is in a somewhat awkward spot at this point in time (just as the 3570k was when it was first released). The prices are still a bit steep for the $1000 build sweetspot with the CPU easily taking a ~24% chunk of the budget. Sure, there are bundles and deals popping up here and there that can offer a really nice deal putting the 4670k on the same price-point as the 3570k, but those are oddities still.

    When it comes to overclocking you can either strike gold with the 4670k or hit nothing but rock; some chips easily handle 4.8GHz on air while other struggle at even 4.2-4.4GHz. The manufacturing process, just like with the 3570k, needs to mature slightly. As such the 3570k remains in many cases a smarter and more viable choice, for now at least.

    The same holds true for the 4770k/3770k.


    Feedback is as always very welcome!

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    Thank you Marest and well done!

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    For the 450 build, it might also be worth it to take a look at the Athlon II X4 750K.
    I think it uses the same piledriver modules as the a8. But it is slightly cheaper, and the turbo is slightly higher.
    Seeing as you are popping a dedicated gpu in there anyway, the athlon might also be a good choice.

    http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-ad750kwohjbox

    I know they are guidline etc. Price difference in the US between the A8 and the athlon seems smaller than it is over here in the NEtherlands.

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    It's a good suggestion and definitely worth a consideration.

    What's so great about the the A8-5600K is that you can still run some games until you have the money to get a dedicated GPU. If that capability and upgrade-path is worth ~$15 is up to the individual to decide. I know I'd personally prefer an on-die GPU in case my dedicated breaks as in that case I can still use the computer until the technicality has been resolved.

    It's less than 4% of the budget after all; $15 is not enough to bring you up a tier GPU wise nor warrant extra RAM or HDD capacity (although perhaps a faster drive...). At best it will give you a slightly better case or a more feature-rich motherboard. If however you are trying to shave off to hit the $400-$430 mark then that's an excellent place to start.
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    Dell U2711 is discontinued, U2713HM is the 'gamer' replacement for it and also significantly cheaper. U2713H (without M) is the 'pro' version comparable to old U2711.
    Never going to log into this garbage forum again as long as calling obvious troll obvious troll is the easiest way to get banned.
    Trolling should be.

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    Marest, why the suggestion of pro-version SSDs? (out of curiosity)

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