That wasn't a war. There was a few skirmishes but the horde and alliance were still at peace then and traded. After wc3 the orcs were given some land there but not much. Anyway the twilights hammer tricked both sides so if it wasn't for them the alliance wouldn't have stopped trading with the horde. So the twilights hammer is to blame not the horde or the alliance.
Aye mate
People just need to get over it and accept the obvious fact that 'Siege of Orgrimmar' is a raid that is going to be entered by both the Horde and Alliance playerbases, meaning that the Alliance aren't defeating the Horde because the Horde is standing right by their side. You're. Only. Killing. Garrosh.
The difference is, at the end of WW2, which was used in an example earlier, the Allies didn't tell Germany, "alright, we'll let you live in peace, and you can continue invading Poland, France, and bombing England, i know y'all are busy trying to conquer lands, just keep at it , you guys are doing great" The issue here is that the Horde is still actively invading and taking over Alliance territories even though we've just taken out the Warchief. If hordies want to pretend that this isnt pathetic, then they have unrealistic views of what players should be able to expect. Alliance players have been at war with the Horde for almost ten years, we've just successfully taken out the Horde Warchief, and now we get to go back to watching to Horde continue to wipeout Gilneas, and takeover Andorhal. Yay Alliance.
Yes. Clearly they had to cut down all the trees to make a farm, instead of using the Southfury river that runs right next to their capital and along the entire length of Durotar for irrigation to farm in their own territories. They also couldn't set up farms in other Horde held territories, like western STV, Mulgore, Silverpine, because that would involve cooperation, and it's such a pain to have to ship supplies... Easier to just slaughter the Night Elves and cut down their forests for land that's closer.
It is a Horde-centric expansion because the story revolves around Horde concerns and is driven by Horde characters, in which the Alliance role is to help other Horde characters overthrow their despot. Its not the Horde rebels, that minority in the Horde, that helps the Alliance, no, its the Alliance who is at the service of the rag tag band of rebels...
Just like WotLK was Alliance-centric because its story revolved around Alliance characters and Alliance lore, where you help an Alliance drop-off (Tirion), aided by the undead son of an Alliance hero (Mograine) to kill an Alliance traitor (Arthas). In the final fight, an Alliance ghost (Terenas) helps you to kill his son who is replaced as Lich King by a fallen alliance hero (Bolvar).
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
Just gotta love the Alliance whining in this thread.
"Except for all the stuff the Alliance got, WHAT DID THE ALLIANCE GET???"
I said before this expansion even came out that if there was ever a siege on Orgrimmar that some Alliance would gripe that the cannonballs needed to batter down the walls would be too heavy, and it's depressing to see how right I was.
Yeesh.
alliance was there to get rid of the kor'kron or else they wouldn't of sided with the rebellion. ah durr
You could get Knaak to write a whole series of novels wherein the Alliance get victory after victory. Beyond the small niche who actually read the novels, however, none of this would be noticed by the millions of people who actually play the WoW game wherein the only victories we're really seeing implemented in the game world are those of the Horde.
And the horde got no lore development during wrath? of course they did with the forsaken and the orcs mainly, now the only alliance character you mentioned is Bolvar, the others are neutral since vanilla (Tirion, Mograine), and Arthas is as much alliance as Cho'gall is horde
I don't know why ANYONE would think that the Alliance won a WAR. The Alliance doesn't defeat the Horde in Orgrimmar; they defeat Garrosh and a bunch of fanatical Orcs. Orcs comprise only 1/7 of the races that make up the Horde, and not all Orcs were with Garrosh. The Alliance win a BATTLE against Garrrosh, while fighting ALONG-SIDE the REAL Horde.
To win a war with the Horde the Alliance would still have to defeat the vast majority of the Horde still remaining. Which would lead to much more death on both sides, and fighting for years. Varian didn't allow the Horde to pick a new Warchief; he had no choice. While the Alliance would have had an advantage with the Horde being leader-less, someone would have picked up the mantle quick enough, and the bloodshed would have continued...and for what? Most of the most recent reasons for increased fighting, and the "war" between Horde and Alliance is pretty much directly the result of decisions and actions taken by Garrosh; who is now dead (I think/hope he dies). If he hadn't been the Warchief; there would have been no war, period.
So, for Alliance player, enjoy your battle victory that was won in part through working with the real Horde. I'll remember your contributions fondly as I'm relieving myself in the woods of Ashenvale. FOR THE HORDE!
There is no "good guys, bad guys" in a mmo...at least i don't believe so...there are the more civilized and the lesser civilized, aka ally and horde....rarely do people like playing the "bad guys"...so i don't know how you could say "ally" is the good guy and "horde" are the bad guys.