Our raid leader made someone cry

[dd614]

raid leaders who scream and yell at people cause high turnover in their guilds.

[prwraith]

Shouting at an 18 year old with a buzzcut for doing boot camp wrong is one thing. Shouting at an Internet acquaintance on your team for playing a game wrong is another thing.

Humiliating people from a position of authority is an important step in brainwashing/deprogramming. But hopefully that's not what you're trying to achieve when you log onto WoW.

It's worth looking into to be honest. Brainwashing people to obey commands without question would really help some raids out. Because frankly some "raiders" shouldn't be thinking on their own. At least at the starter tier anyway. The higher you go the less likely extreme measures would be needed.

[Meredi]

I think that back in TBC when progression was harder and more linear raid leaders could get away with the screaming thing, because it wasn't as easy to jump from group to group as it is now. There weren't multiple difficulties so all raiding was HM basically. Now a days, maybe in a real hardcore guild that's okay, but for normal modes, fuck it jump ship and find another group, you'll still clear normals.

during TBC, during SWP on Twins I wiped our raid by not getting out of our group in time for a conflag, and I got a lecture so brutal and intense from my raid leader that I felt sick and sunk into my chair and wanted to die. I felt that way because it would have been a nightmare to find another guild that was 4/6 SWP at the time, and taking a set back in progression is a nightmare.

During WotLK, during a 25ToGC run, we wiped to valk twins (lolbad) and my raid leader started shouting at the mages for not ice blocking like the two of us being the only ones a live would have mattered. I got mouthy, told him to fuck off, that I didn't need his shit. Difference was that by that point an expansion later it was so easy to guild hop, and I just found another guild that was at the same exact road block as us at the time, and decided to progress with them and not get yelled at.

I think its an outdated way to motivate a raid party nowadays.

[Deleted]

I have never witnessed something like making somebody cry. Sounds sad and fun at the same time.

[Crumpet]

A game that is very easy just like nerfed old content. It is funny to think that a adult is incapable of using a few buttons,cds and move out of crap. Wow is a simple game but I guess some people are real real slow. If you make mistakes expect a reaction and if you dont like then gtfo. Raiding hardcore has always been this way, they should have a bench to simply remove the baddie and replace her.

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A good raid leader tells it like it is. If you are a baddie you are told that you are bad and to get on the bench or leave the guild. This is one of the many thing that seperate the white knight fail guilds and progression oriented guilds that have been done with content.

Oh yes, our raid leader tells it like he is. He benches people, but he does it properly, firmly, and like an adult. He doesn't yell at people and call them bloody names like an angry child, he keeps his cool. He tells people clearly and firmly what went wrong, and to make sure it doesn't happen again. And people respect him for that, and play better. act like a mature adult and actually know what you're doing, and people will be happy to follow your instructions.

[Racthoh]

last raid leader i had didn't make anyone cry i think. but he intimidated the shit out of new tanks. i thought it was hilarious.

[Qualia]

Oh yes, our raid leader tells it like he is. He benches people, but he does it properly, firmly, and like an adult. He doesn't yell at people and call them bloody names like an angry child, he keeps his cool. He tells people clearly and firmly what went wrong, and to make sure it doesn't happen again. And people respect him for that, and play better. act like a mature adult and actually know what you're doing, and people will be happy to follow your instructions.

I don't know what your guild progression is, but as far as I know, most of the time, if you want a fast progression, you will need at least one guy who is willing to tell people that they are terrible when they do without sugarcoating his words.

I've been sitting on 13/13H for a while, so while my guild certainly isn't the best out there, I believe our raiders aren't too terrible either. Yet, during Lei Shen progression, there were mistakes. Despite there were people who like your raid leader, "tell people clearly and firmly what went wrong", and give instruction what to do, there were still people kept making mistakes over and over. Only when our so-called "mean officer" started yelling on vent - how these people are retarded, that even an elementary school kid could have played better, and if the raid leader didn't hold him back some of these bads would have had to kiss their guild tag goodbye already - these guys start being more focused and played better. Lesson learned - there are people who can't learn fast enough without getting scolded. People are happy to follow an instruction doesn't necessarily mean they are capable of doing those instructions properly. Sure, we could have spent another 100 wipes, by then these people might have improved w/o the need to be yelled at, but if we do that, it's the one who were doing their best would be unhappy.

And to be frank, whoever cry over getting scolded in raid need thicker skin. How would they make it through life happily if they can't take a little hardship?

[Crumpet]

I'm glad we have a mature adult-only guild then. Maybe it's our personalities, our where we're from, but there has never been any need to yell. Heated words, yes, but no yelling like that video somebody posted, and no name-calling. It works for us, if yelling works for you lot, that's fine.

[Williee]

If your raid is dying to attenuation, its more of the raid's fault for not dodging them then the healers needing to heal them. I think the raid leader took it a bit out of hand by putting the blame on the healers.

[Weightlifter]

The raid leader was a clueless moron if he raged at healers and thinks Vizier HC is easier than Jin'rokh Normal. But to be honest, if people are dying to something as simple as Attenuation, they would have a hell of a time in ToT, especially when they aren't even overgeared. On bosses like Jin'rokh and Durumu, one player failing to move will cause a wipe.

[Flutterguy]

The worst my old raid leader would get was repeating "You're breaking my balls [insert name of whoever is screwing up]."

Or my all-time favorite from ToC for Twin Valkyr. "Nobody likes balls to the face."