Iron Forge is 8 levels of city within the mountain.....there are also many hidden passages within IF...go ck out down under the Kings Chamber....were Diamond Magni is right now....there are two sets of protected doors down there...plus there is still one door on other side that hasn't been opened yet that might lead to another part of the mountain.....like the door to Old Iron Forge where Magni is now.
Sylvanas wouldn't get further than Khaz Modan. Besides, she'd be a fool to try. The Forsaken would be crushed.
"The sword is mightier than the pen, and considerably easier to kill with."
It's not like she made him her new right-hand-man; she brought him back to use as a tool against Greymane. She gave him six or seven missions first that we the players help him complete. He butchers the Alliance and kills/captures his own former Gilnean comrades, spouted on the usual "for the Dark Lady" hivemind nonsense, etc. There really wasn't any reason to doubt his loyalty at that point. He even denounces his Gilnean identity and says that his kingdom died the moment Genn started pissing around with the worgen curse.
There are a fair few examples of her leadership acumen being overrated (take a look at the multiple ambushes she falls for earlier on in the quest chain), but this really isn't one of them IMO.
Okay, People forget that Sylvanas barely survived taking Gilneas alone. She tried invading, even with her plague, and got rolled and nearly killed by players and other Worgen in the Battle within Gilneas City. Even with Orc reinforcements, she was forced to fall back to Silverpine to recuperate. THOSE EVENTS WERE WORGEN STARTING ZONE QUESTS!
THEN! She tries again to push her way into Gilneas, except, ALL Alliance refugees in Northern Lordaeron took upon themselves the Worgen curse and began decimating her forces. Sylvanas HAD TO result to kidnapping Crowley's Daughter and bartering with him, and even THAT didn't win the battle for her.
SO to break it down for you. Sylvanas attempted suicide before anything and was brought back to life. Then, she was nearly killed in her first assault of Gilneas, and then she was killed by Godfrey again on her second assault of Gilneas. She hasn't really had much luck, now has she??
It simply put the Worgen and Forsaken at a Stalemate. HENCE WHY we have the BG: Battle for Gilneas. Forsaken DID NOT WIN. and Worgen DID NOT WIN. Otherwise there would be no point to a Battle FOR Gilneas.
Furthermore, if the Argent Crusade found out that Sylvanas was employing the Plague to wipe out innocent cities full of people. they would rise against her as well. She would be alienated from the Horde and eventually destroyed.
I don't understand why people think Sylvanas is so friggin powerful. She isn't. Her and her forsaken forces are teetering upon the brink of extermination. Hence why she has been so quiet and immobile during later events in Cata and the Pandaren Campaign.
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One thing about sieging IF: They would HAVE to do something about the Deeprun Tramp, a direct line to Stormwind where reinforcements, food and supplies could flow from.
I think really that shows how weak the Valkyr are. I mean, we just sneak 4 hunters with Camo against her, one at a time, and BAM all the valkyr are now gone, since thye had to rez her. No other way of rezzing her forsaken troops.
And really, the argument for starving out IF. Even if they couldn't sneak food in via the multitude of tunnels and deep run tram, mages teleporting in, and even conjured mage food... People seem to forget you can fish in IF (Ever get up that old crafty?), and mushrooms grow in tunnels/dark/etc.
That plague was only slightly more effective than sewage, they had to water it down because orcs are weak pieces of shit. Even catapult operators noticed that.
It wasnt magical ressistance of worgen, it was Garrosh and his idiotic understanding of warfare.Forsaken Blightspreader says: Watered down garbage. Doesn't even slow 'em down.
Forsaken Blightspreader says: This is a war, right? We're supposed to be able to kill our enemies with our weapons, right?
Forsaken Blightspreader says: This blight is useless.
Forsaken Blightspreader says: What did they test this crap on? Murlocs?
Its like if Varian decided to replace all bullets in Dwarven guns with peas to make it more fair.
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Could the Forsaken conquer the eastern kingdoms? No. But they can seal off the north in the Arathi Highlands. With that bridge being the major flow of ground forces, and eventually take the rest of the places, as the revantusk control the coast up to the deathknights, and then silvermoon. So, It would be a long battle, but they could control the north with the help of the horde. Will that take gilneas? Unless that want to use the full force of the plague, not a watered down version, then they could take that area again, otherwise, it would be a battle that they could lose. Id say, seal off into their kingdom with their own gate =D.
In Tides of Darkness, she was admittedly fearful of Alliance retaliation. She knows she can't stand up against the Humans, Dwarves, and Worgen should they launch an attack at once.
Sylvanas also, by the nature of her people, can't reproduce soldiers as fast. In Siege of Orgrimmar, all factions on both sides suffered casualties and Sylvanas didn't exactly have a grand army to begin with after the Worgen began to turn many Alliance in the Gilneas/Silverpine battles into Worgen to prevent them from being raised by the Val'kyr. The Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes have a much more easily replenished military, only having to wait a bit of time for recruits and not force battles to resurrect the dead. The Forsaken's population has been dwindling over time.
And if Sylvanas ever went full conquering mode, the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade would join against her so fast that she wouldn't stand a chance. They're already watching her carefully after Gilneas.
i'd like to think she could conquer the eastern kingdoms eventually, i'd love to see a future version of that play out where the plague ramps up massively.
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I stand by my assessment that Sylvanas could probably pull off a march as far south as the Stonewrought Dam or even Blackrock (minus Dun Murogh) if she went into invasion mode. I think my broader point was missed -- there is no upside in doing so because she could never hope to hold her winnings.
Smartest thing Sylvanas could do to secure her territory would be to give Stromgarde the treatment she gave Southshore, just render it a useless pile of crap, and then fortify the hell out of the wall. That, or blitz Arathi and claim Stromgarde and cut off the Alliance's main forces at the Thandol Span. The Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade are actually probably not strong enough on their own to take on the Forsaken -- remember, these are not huge forces, they rely on player character (i.e. faction-based) help to get things done, and I doubt they'd pick that fight. Aerie Peak could probably be let alone since it has no real strategic threat to the rest of Lordaeron if it's so cut off.
She doesn't need to try to claim the entire Eastern Kingdoms to accomplish her stated goal of holding Lordaeron permanently as the home of the Forsaken.
What makes any of you think Sylvanas is going to risk everything by meeting all her enemies in the field at the same time? I mean, really, do you think she's that stupid? Just marching on Ironforge, leaving literally everything she has exposed, risking the Forsaken in a single siege? Nothing stops Sylvanas from slowly tightening her grip over the north, gradually taking over by conquering smaller pieces of land. The alliance should have a hard time drawing a line. When does she go so far it warrants a full scale intervention?