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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxxi View Post
    The gates of Ironforge are a bottleneck for both attackers and defenders. Since the plague has no effect on the Forsaken, you can bomb the defenders outside continuously until the attackers get inside and once that happens, the plague can spread through the entire city with no where to escape.
    And that gate area has a huge set of doors that will close down ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taftvalue View Post
    they just have to siege Ironforge long enough for the dwarves to starve..^^
    That won't work.....remember dwarves have mages......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MouseD View Post
    That won't work.....remember dwarves have mages......
    Gameplay doesn't equal canon. People in Orgrimmar were starving to death after the Cataclysm even though they had mages. Armies and supplies still travel by caravan/ship even though mages can portal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    Gameplay doesn't equal canon. People in Orgrimmar were starving to death after the Cataclysm even though they had mages. Armies and supplies still travel by caravan/ship even though mages can portal.

    Iron Forge is 8 levels of city within the mountain.....there are also many hidden passages within IF...go ck out down under the Kings Chamber....were Diamond Magni is right now....there are two sets of protected doors down there...plus there is still one door on other side that hasn't been opened yet that might lead to another part of the mountain.....like the door to Old Iron Forge where Magni is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    Blatant fanboyism for Sylvanas and the Forsaken. You can't even take into consideration that it took his own son and his own mighty blade to slay him? What a joke.
    1) How did Alexandros' mortality lead you to Forsaken fanboyism I have no idea or desire to understand.

    2) How does Alexandros' mortality make Tirion immortal, well, I also have no idea.
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    Sylvanas wouldn't get further than Khaz Modan. Besides, she'd be a fool to try. The Forsaken would be crushed.
    "The sword is mightier than the pen, and considerably easier to kill with."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MouseD View Post
    Iron Forge is 8 levels of city within the mountain.....there are also many hidden passages within IF...go ck out down under the Kings Chamber....were Diamond Magni is right now....there are two sets of protected doors down there...plus there is still one door on other side that hasn't been opened yet that might lead to another part of the mountain.....like the door to Old Iron Forge where Magni is now.
    Okay......... I don't...... see........ what any of that has to do...... with mages....... summoning food or portaling people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    Godfrey kidnapped his own king to negotiate with the forsaken to spare the rest of Gilneas. After he committed suicide why exactly would he stay loyal to Sylvanas? She should have known he was a tirncoat just from that act alone.
    It's not like she made him her new right-hand-man; she brought him back to use as a tool against Greymane. She gave him six or seven missions first that we the players help him complete. He butchers the Alliance and kills/captures his own former Gilnean comrades, spouted on the usual "for the Dark Lady" hivemind nonsense, etc. There really wasn't any reason to doubt his loyalty at that point. He even denounces his Gilnean identity and says that his kingdom died the moment Genn started pissing around with the worgen curse.

    There are a fair few examples of her leadership acumen being overrated (take a look at the multiple ambushes she falls for earlier on in the quest chain), but this really isn't one of them IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    The WC2 Horde didn't have the plague.

    How long could Ironforge defend itself against constant "Plague bombing" ?

    Okay, People forget that Sylvanas barely survived taking Gilneas alone. She tried invading, even with her plague, and got rolled and nearly killed by players and other Worgen in the Battle within Gilneas City. Even with Orc reinforcements, she was forced to fall back to Silverpine to recuperate. THOSE EVENTS WERE WORGEN STARTING ZONE QUESTS!

    THEN! She tries again to push her way into Gilneas, except, ALL Alliance refugees in Northern Lordaeron took upon themselves the Worgen curse and began decimating her forces. Sylvanas HAD TO result to kidnapping Crowley's Daughter and bartering with him, and even THAT didn't win the battle for her.

    SO to break it down for you. Sylvanas attempted suicide before anything and was brought back to life. Then, she was nearly killed in her first assault of Gilneas, and then she was killed by Godfrey again on her second assault of Gilneas. She hasn't really had much luck, now has she??

    It simply put the Worgen and Forsaken at a Stalemate. HENCE WHY we have the BG: Battle for Gilneas. Forsaken DID NOT WIN. and Worgen DID NOT WIN. Otherwise there would be no point to a Battle FOR Gilneas.

    Furthermore, if the Argent Crusade found out that Sylvanas was employing the Plague to wipe out innocent cities full of people. they would rise against her as well. She would be alienated from the Horde and eventually destroyed.


    I don't understand why people think Sylvanas is so friggin powerful. She isn't. Her and her forsaken forces are teetering upon the brink of extermination. Hence why she has been so quiet and immobile during later events in Cata and the Pandaren Campaign.
    Last edited by DexterityRogueFeathermoon; 2013-07-26 at 07:25 PM.
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    One thing about sieging IF: They would HAVE to do something about the Deeprun Tramp, a direct line to Stormwind where reinforcements, food and supplies could flow from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaelsino View Post
    Why is this such a point against her to you? Is there any racial leader in Warcraft who could survive a point blank shotgun blast to the skull?
    I think really that shows how weak the Valkyr are. I mean, we just sneak 4 hunters with Camo against her, one at a time, and BAM all the valkyr are now gone, since thye had to rez her. No other way of rezzing her forsaken troops.

    And really, the argument for starving out IF. Even if they couldn't sneak food in via the multitude of tunnels and deep run tram, mages teleporting in, and even conjured mage food... People seem to forget you can fish in IF (Ever get up that old crafty?), and mushrooms grow in tunnels/dark/etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DexterityRogueFeathermoon View Post
    even with her plague
    That plague was only slightly more effective than sewage, they had to water it down because orcs are weak pieces of shit. Even catapult operators noticed that.

    Forsaken Blightspreader says: Watered down garbage. Doesn't even slow 'em down.
    Forsaken Blightspreader says: This is a war, right? We're supposed to be able to kill our enemies with our weapons, right?
    Forsaken Blightspreader says: This blight is useless.
    Forsaken Blightspreader says: What did they test this crap on? Murlocs?
    It wasnt magical ressistance of worgen, it was Garrosh and his idiotic understanding of warfare.

    Its like if Varian decided to replace all bullets in Dwarven guns with peas to make it more fair.
    Last edited by Verdugo; 2013-07-26 at 07:37 PM.

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    Could the Forsaken conquer the eastern kingdoms? No. But they can seal off the north in the Arathi Highlands. With that bridge being the major flow of ground forces, and eventually take the rest of the places, as the revantusk control the coast up to the deathknights, and then silvermoon. So, It would be a long battle, but they could control the north with the help of the horde. Will that take gilneas? Unless that want to use the full force of the plague, not a watered down version, then they could take that area again, otherwise, it would be a battle that they could lose. Id say, seal off into their kingdom with their own gate =D.

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    In Tides of Darkness, she was admittedly fearful of Alliance retaliation. She knows she can't stand up against the Humans, Dwarves, and Worgen should they launch an attack at once.

    Sylvanas also, by the nature of her people, can't reproduce soldiers as fast. In Siege of Orgrimmar, all factions on both sides suffered casualties and Sylvanas didn't exactly have a grand army to begin with after the Worgen began to turn many Alliance in the Gilneas/Silverpine battles into Worgen to prevent them from being raised by the Val'kyr. The Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes have a much more easily replenished military, only having to wait a bit of time for recruits and not force battles to resurrect the dead. The Forsaken's population has been dwindling over time.

    And if Sylvanas ever went full conquering mode, the Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade would join against her so fast that she wouldn't stand a chance. They're already watching her carefully after Gilneas.

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    i'd like to think she could conquer the eastern kingdoms eventually, i'd love to see a future version of that play out where the plague ramps up massively.
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    I stand by my assessment that Sylvanas could probably pull off a march as far south as the Stonewrought Dam or even Blackrock (minus Dun Murogh) if she went into invasion mode. I think my broader point was missed -- there is no upside in doing so because she could never hope to hold her winnings.

    Smartest thing Sylvanas could do to secure her territory would be to give Stromgarde the treatment she gave Southshore, just render it a useless pile of crap, and then fortify the hell out of the wall. That, or blitz Arathi and claim Stromgarde and cut off the Alliance's main forces at the Thandol Span. The Argent Crusade and the Ebon Blade are actually probably not strong enough on their own to take on the Forsaken -- remember, these are not huge forces, they rely on player character (i.e. faction-based) help to get things done, and I doubt they'd pick that fight. Aerie Peak could probably be let alone since it has no real strategic threat to the rest of Lordaeron if it's so cut off.

    She doesn't need to try to claim the entire Eastern Kingdoms to accomplish her stated goal of holding Lordaeron permanently as the home of the Forsaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    I'd like to take some time to apologize to Mehrunes. This above poster is the biggest Forsaken fanboy ever. Orcs are weak pieces of shit? The race that could have single-handedly taken Azeroth over had it not been for a civil war? Sure, alright. Moron.

    Infracted. Flaming is not tolerated here
    Who are you anyway. Nevermind, we will propably not see you here for long.

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    What makes any of you think Sylvanas is going to risk everything by meeting all her enemies in the field at the same time? I mean, really, do you think she's that stupid? Just marching on Ironforge, leaving literally everything she has exposed, risking the Forsaken in a single siege? Nothing stops Sylvanas from slowly tightening her grip over the north, gradually taking over by conquering smaller pieces of land. The alliance should have a hard time drawing a line. When does she go so far it warrants a full scale intervention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draghonfourt View Post
    What makes any of you think Sylvanas is going to risk everything by meeting all her enemies in the field at the same time? I mean, really, do you think she's that stupid? Just marching on Ironforge, leaving literally everything she has exposed, risking the Forsaken in a single siege? Nothing stops Sylvanas from slowly tightening her grip over the north, gradually taking over by conquering smaller pieces of land. The alliance should have a hard time drawing a line. When does she go so far it warrants a full scale intervention?
    How long do you think she can manage that exactly? How far until the argents turn on her? Do you think the Alliance will stand idly by if she sieges Aerie Peak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guilford View Post
    what does is that you seem like you'd want to be the new forsaken leader.
    If it was possible, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    If it was possible, yes.
    Sadly it isn't because Nathanos doesn't like imbecilic superiors.

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