This is Thrall's Fault

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oh here we go..

Smoke some weed lately? you must have, your actually trying to find a scapegoat with one of wow's most noted heroes.

Its like blaming batman for the creation of the joker.

If Batman chose the Joker as his successor and gave him power over several nations...

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What? Cairne? Vol'Jin? You can't seriously think Garrosh was the *only* viable option.

Bitch please.

At that time the thought of a non orc warchief was outrageous, it had to be an orc ergo Hellscream got the job.

[Trassk]

Well, in his defense, the Batman didn't deliberately put the Joker's impressionable son in charge of Gotham City after filling his head with stories about how awesome his dad was while pranking people to death, without mentioning that everybody with two brain cells to rub together hated that dude.

So honoring his best friends memory but trying to give his only living son the position, without knowing what kind of a dick he'd turn out to be, makes Thrall liable for what garrosh has done.

Man, you people are a piece of work. You all loooove your scapegoats, rather then actually acknowledging the real problem, usually yourselves.

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If Batman chose the Joker as his successor and gave him power over several nations...

Anakin skywalker.

oh, is obi wan responsible for what he became?

People are just wanting a scapegoat because there those kind of people.

[mvaliz]

It's definetly Thrall's fault... if by Thrall you mean "Metzen".

The fault is horrific bad writing on Metzen's part. Pure and simple.

[Anjerith]

There was genocide. If your statement is true, he is an even bigger villain.

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Tell me one instance where Garrosh showed potential?

Led the Horde to victory in Northrend.
Brought the Goblins into the Horde, thus providing the faction with Oil - something they have lacked in large quantities since the Second War (Thrall just recommended them)
Brought the Dragonmaw back to the Horde (Ignoring the ham-handed "turn 'em evil" that has occured recently. The entry of the Dragonmaw was a great move forward on the Orcs side of things)
Brought the Taunka into the Horde.
Furthered Horde interests on Kalimdor including expansion into valuable lumber resources.
Devised and executed a brilliant Military victory over Theramore. (You may not like it, but it was)
Kept discipline within the Orc ranks of the Horde through an adherence to the Orc Warriors code of Honor.

And then he went nuts, but those are things he did to clearly show his growing potential.

[Aquamonkey]

What? Cairne? Vol'Jin? You can't seriously think Garrosh was the *only* viable option.

Bitch please.

Cairne was disqualified for being too old-fashioned and couldn't even keep the tauren united. Vol'jin wasn't even considered.

[Prancing Minstrel]

Garrosh a success in Northrend? They slaughtered alliance soldiers for no reason when they were fighting at one of the massive scourge gates in Icecrown, destroying the offensive against the scourge and giving them plenty of corpses to raise.

Garrosh showed himself to be a complete psycho with baseless hatred of humanity right from mid-wrath. This really is Thrall's fault.

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Anakin skywalker.

oh, is obi wan responsible for what he became?

Strawman? Garrosh never wanted to be warchief and Thrall pushed him into it. Nothing of what happened, would have happened, had Thrall made someone else warchief. And everybody knew Garrosh would be a terrible warchief. Everybody.

[Digory Kirke]

And, unlike the players who seem incapable of understanding character development

So.. yeah, you guys really don't have a clue.

You still haven't read my whole post have you? Engage my points and stop flaming.

[Drayarr]

Its a game?

/thread.

[Arrashi]

What if thrall always was evil and that was his plan ? Genoicide of alliance race's and purging of weak, and then using garrosh as victim to hide his own crimes ?
What if this so called "Go'el" is real evil mastermind of azeroth ? And we are playing right into his hands ?

[Holtzmann]

So honoring his best friends memory but trying to give his only living son the position, without knowing what kind of a dick he'd turn out to be, makes Thrall liable for what garrosh has done.

Man, you people are a piece of work. You all loooove your scapegoats, rather then actually acknowledging the real problem, usually yourselves.

Honoring best friends is not a good way to lead a band of militaristic Orcs who longed to see battle and the glory days of the Horde. Hell, Thrall himself acknowledged the Orcs were not fond of his leadership style, that they wanted a leader that would bring them glory in battle like Garrosh. Basically, Thrall gave the Horde what it should have never had, otherwise it would turn out like the Old Horde. Which is precisely what happened.

Besides, Thrall put Saurfang as Garrosh's advisor for a reason and he was fully aware of Garrosh's dickish tendencies for a long time, what with the challenge just before the Scourge arrived in Orgrimmar and Garrosh's inability to step down from any sort of challenge even when the fate of the world is at stake in the pre-Ulduar cinematic.

So yeah, Thrall done goofed pretty bad there.

[Aquamonkey]

"Thrall’s glower deepened. Yes, Garrosh was loved and a fine fighter, but he was also rash and impulsive. Thrall was about to deliver him the ultimate power. A word floated to his mind, usurper, but he did not truly believe such a thing would happen. Garrosh needed something to placate an ego as mammoth as his legend—an ego that Thrall now realized he might have unwittingly helped to inflate. He had been concerned when he learned that Garrosh despised his father, and had wanted to show the son of Grom that Hellscream had done great good. But perhaps he might have made Grom look better than he was. If so, then the younger Hellscream’s arrogance might be, at least in part, due to Thrall himself. He had not been able to save Grom’s life; he had hoped to inspire and guide his son.

Still, Eitrigg would be there to temper Garrosh, as would Cairne, if Thrall asked it of his old friends. Thrall would not be gone long. Let Garrosh sit in his place temporarily in Grommash Hold, with Cairne and Eitrigg on either side. If the rumors were true, Garrosh had already tipped his hand with the Ashenvale incident, and Thrall knew Cairne would sit on the orc before he’d let anything like that get by him, now that he knew to be watchful of it. There wouldn’t be a lot that Garrosh could do, really, to harm the Horde, and—Thrall had to admit—there was much Garrosh could do to inspire it."
--The Shattering

[Wildberry]

What? Cairne? Vol'Jin? You can't seriously think Garrosh was the *only* viable option.

Bitch please.

Implying Cairne and Vol'jin were Orcs.
Implying Cairne didn't let potential traitors sit in Thunderbluff.
Implying Vol'jin didn't take years to reclaim his peoples' new home.
Implying either could handle the position of Warchief.

[Okacz]

If Batman chose the Joker as his successor and gave him power over several nations...

Well, in one instance, Batman in fact appointed Two-Faceas his successor, so you are not too far

[The Madgod]

This has been known for a long time... but you're painting him darker than he really is. If you read the novels you realize that Thrall appointed Garrosh because he was the popular choice amongst the people and trusted that responsibility would temper him. He didn't appoint Garrosh because of a desire to become more powerful or more renowned, he appointed Garrosh in an act of desperation, as he couldn't be both a Warchief and a Shaman, with the coming of the Cataclysm.

maybe thrall knew this would happend. and knew that everyone would rise against Garrosh together for a better world

He did not. In 5.2 Thrall is rather shocked at what the Kor'kron is doing to the Darkspear. Plus, it wouldn't be in his character.

Strawman? Garrosh never wanted to be warchief and Thrall pushed him into it. Nothing of what happened, would have happened, had Thrall made someone else warchief. And everybody knew Garrosh would be a terrible warchief. Everybody.

Garrosh was pretty happy when Thrall gave him that power... and no, not everyone knew Garrosh would be a bad Warchief. Those crowds wouldn't have cheered so hard if they didn't think he was a good choice.

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Tell me one instance where Garrosh showed potential?

Stonetalon Mountains.

[arcaneshot]

Led the Horde to victory in Northrend.

You mean the same campaign where Saurfang has you doing things behind Garrosh's back? It wasn't an accident the soldiers at the Wrathgate were hand-picked by Saurfang because they weren't bloodthirsty morons (of course we know exactly why that backfired).

[Holtzmann]

Stonetalon Mountains.

Which I'm pretty sure was mentioned by the devs as being a "whoops" moment where the story guys said one thing and the quest guys understood another. Basically, it was an OOC moment.

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So youre saying if I go kill someone its my parents fault? roflmao....