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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimble View Post
    Casual endgame content is not the same as no endgame content. If the 5% of faggot-ass raiders all fuck off and quit, no one will even notice. I love how much it hurts you people to be so irrelevant, that you have to keep making up these idiotic reasons that your tiny sliver of the playerbase is supposedly super important.
    The best part of this IMO is that they deep down they have this sinking feeling that they know how irrelevant they are and how much of a shrinking minority in this game they are becoming. They see former top guilds disbanding or shrinking down to 10 man format. That's why LFR gets them so worked up. It's become a symbol for their extinction. It's become a scapegoat for the dread they feel deep down inside. They are the neanderthals of wow slowly becoming extinct but unlike the neanderthals they have the wherewithal to know the bell tolls for them and it stings like a bitch I'm sure.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    The best part of this IMO is that they deep down they have this sinking feeling that they know how irrelevant they are and how much of a shrinking minority in this game they are becoming. They see former top guilds disbanding or shrinking down to 10 man format. That's why LFR gets them so worked up. It's become a symbol for their extinction. It's become a scapegoat for the dread they feel deep down inside. They are the neanderthals of wow slowly becoming extinct but unlike the neanderthals they have the wherewithal to know the bell tolls for them and it stings like a bitch I'm sure.

    I don't understand the animosity. Granted, there are hardcore raiders who are completely dicks too, but can't we all just get along? the farmer and the cowhand should be friends, so to speak.

    Casual players and Hardcore Raiders each bring a unique element to this game and are both, in my mind, vital pieces of the puzzle - I'd encourage not to write off anyone from either group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monteverdi View Post
    I don't understand the animosity. Granted, there are hardcore raiders who are completely dicks too, but can't we all just get along? the farmer and the cowhand should be friends, so to speak.

    Casual players and Hardcore Raiders each bring a unique element to this game and are both, in my mind, vital pieces of the puzzle - I'd encourage not to write off anyone from either group.
    All we are saying... is give peace a chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monteverdi View Post
    I don't understand the animosity. Granted, there are hardcore raiders who are completely dicks too, but can't we all just get along? the farmer and the cowhand should be friends, so to speak.

    Casual players and Hardcore Raiders each bring a unique element to this game and are both, in my mind, vital pieces of the puzzle - I'd encourage not to write off anyone from either group.
    Given all the bullshit, scorn, and unwarranted self-importance spewed by the hardcore raider community, I'm inclined to just laugh at them as they go extinct. Fuck it, it's just a game, may as well enjoy thumbing my nose at the snobby kids as they're escorted off the playground.

    Christ, Seefer is up there on this page of this thread saying Blizzard should "let people unsub" if they don't have anything to do, rather than stop aiming so much content at 5% of players. Who's supposed to be "entitled" again? At least casuals pay the bills, and don't expect Blizzard to go broke catering to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monteverdi View Post
    I don't understand the animosity. Granted, there are hardcore raiders who are completely dicks too, but can't we all just get along? the farmer and the cowhand should be friends, so to speak.

    Casual players and Hardcore Raiders each bring a unique element to this game and are both, in my mind, vital pieces of the puzzle - I'd encourage not to write off anyone from either group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    That's not good enough. All rogues really bring to a raid is DPS. If they don't have more unique abilities then it's simply better to make a hybrid who can do what rogues can and more.

    Making classes more similar in terms of fundamental abilities has made them less unique and that will have a ripple effect on the game. All Blizz can do now is make X class overpowered for a few months to attract people to it unless classes have more unique abilities to separate them from everyone else. An ability like Heroic Leap and Blade Storm is awesome for example but there need to be more class defining abilities that do more than just DPS, heal or tank otherwise you can just make a hybrid and do it all. Everything else is just the illusion of being different.
    They also have survivablity and can avoid certain damage abilities. People stack mage on certain fights where block and alter time make mechanics trival. Their are powershifting, death grip, shadow dance.etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    The best part of this IMO is that they deep down they have this sinking feeling that they know how irrelevant they are and how much of a shrinking minority in this game they are becoming. They see former top guilds disbanding or shrinking down to 10 man format. That's why LFR gets them so worked up. It's become a symbol for their extinction. It's become a scapegoat for the dread they feel deep down inside. They are the neanderthals of wow slowly becoming extinct but unlike the neanderthals they have the wherewithal to know the bell tolls for them and it stings like a bitch I'm sure.
    I know right? It's interesting times when you can waltz onto the MMO Champ forum, loudly predict that raiding will be all but dead in a few years, and not even get any real argument. Just a few deluded hardcores who think Blizzard has a moral responsibility to please them even if it costs them subs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimble View Post
    Given all the bullshit, scorn, and unwarranted self-importance spewed by the hardcore raider community, I'm inclined to just laugh at them as they go extinct. Fuck it, it's just a game, may as well enjoy thumbing my nose at the snobby kids as they're escorted off the playground.

    Christ, Seefer is up there on this page of this thread saying Blizzard should "let people unsub" if they don't have anything to do, rather than stop aiming so much content at 5% of players. Who's supposed to be "entitled" again? At least casuals pay the bills, and don't expect Blizzard to go broke catering to them.
    Yeah cuz you hypocrite casuals never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER talk crap about regular raiders, nope you never sit there and hurl insults at us, oh wait what's that? You guys do it more than we do? OH SNAP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monteverdi View Post
    I don't understand the animosity. Granted, there are hardcore raiders who are completely dicks too, but can't we all just get along? the farmer and the cowhand should be friends, so to speak.

    Casual players and Hardcore Raiders each bring a unique element to this game and are both, in my mind, vital pieces of the puzzle - I'd encourage not to write off anyone from either group.
    I think I remember the person in question being abused or something by some elitist which is probably the case for everyone being as mad in this particular thread which is most entertaining btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Yeah cuz you hypocrite casuals never EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER talk crap about regular raiders, nope you never sit there and hurl insults at us, oh wait what's that? You guys do it more than we do? OH SNAP!
    In the end, since I've played this game since Vanilla, before AQ even opened at that and turned to a casual over the years, that I don't matter? I enjoy LFR, it doesn't take me 2 hours of wiping. It takes me 45mins max and while in queue I can do something productive like study or spend time with my girlfriend. My schedule changes each week so I play when my time allows me. So my voice or money doesn't matter since I'm now a casual? Even though I've been playing since Vanilla? I'm not saying that the more hardcore players don't matter, I think we all matter in the end to Blizzard. I just think the raiders could help the casuals who do want to move up get better instead of this attitude I've seen in the last few years that they are better then the raiders cause of their gear and skill.

    Basically to sum it up, we all matter. Raiders made the game great along with PvPers. Casuals just helped make the game shoot to the stars in popularity. The animosity needs to go away on both sides and we all should be trying to help Blizzard come up with a solution that helps and makes everyone happy in the end. If they want to keep LFR for a new raid from coming out early, I'd be alright if it were like a month. This gives the raiders their time in the raid getting to see it before LFR but, it also gives LFR players a chance to see the content also, just at a slower pace. I don't care if I do or don't get the same things as the raiders. Titles, mounts, none of them matter to me. Seeing the story and having fun is what matters. In the end, we all just want to have fun and that's what needs to keep this community going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    I think I remember the person in question being abused or something by some elitist which is probably the case for everyone being as mad in this particular thread which is most entertaining btw.
    Oh absolutely. Theirs a tonne of abuse that players get put through by other players. It's dog eat dog gangsta shit. Theirs a thread on these very forums that suggests that behavior is just being carried over into lfr.

    It's yet another reason that raiding has such dismal popularity among any significant portion of the player base. Many of the folks doing it are utter and complete assholes. Not all obviously and you can meet some really good folks even now in warcraft. You just get burned yo.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Oh absolutely. Theirs a tonne of abuse that players get put through by other players. It's dog eat dog gangsta shit. Theirs a thread on these very forums that suggests that behavior is just being carried over into lfr.

    It's yet another reason that raiding has such dismal popularity among any significant portion of the player base. Many of the folks doing it are utter and complete assholes. Not all obviously and you can meet some really good folks even now in warcraft. You just get burned yo.
    You have never played mobas I suppose and I'd probably advice against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Oh absolutely. Theirs a tonne of abuse that players get put through by other players. It's dog eat dog gangsta shit. Theirs a thread on these very forums that suggests that behavior is just being carried over into lfr.

    It's yet another reason that raiding has such dismal popularity among any significant portion of the player base. Many of the folks doing it are utter and complete assholes. Not all obviously and you can meet some really good folks even now in warcraft. You just get burned yo.
    Sorry but I find the casuals to be more toxic than hardcore raiders, I mean after all.........we ARE only what was it you said? 5% of the population? That leaves 95% of the toxic players as the casuals, look at the dude with the carebear for his avatar using homophobic slurs in his post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Oh absolutely. Theirs a tonne of abuse that players get put through by other players. It's dog eat dog gangsta shit. Theirs a thread on these very forums that suggests that behavior is just being carried over into lfr.

    It's yet another reason that raiding has such dismal popularity among any significant portion of the player base. Many of the folks doing it are utter and complete assholes. Not all obviously and you can meet some really good folks even now in warcraft. You just get burned yo.
    Which is why the animosity from all sides, PvPers, Raiders, and Casuals, needs to end. It doesn't do the game or Blizzard any good. Everyone should try to come up with solutions to help Blizzard. Not this, "OMG BLIZZ YOU'RE STUPID, GIVE ME HARDER RAIDS" or "OMG GIVE ME EASIER RAIDS" or "GIVE ME BETTER PVP STUFF" It sucks and it's killing the community. Yes, Blizzard has helped kill it themselves but, it's also the players in general and the way they treat each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cFortyfive View Post
    You have never played mobas I suppose.
    All the time. Been in dota 2 since beta. HoN, smite, original Dota, no league though. Getting my rares straight to see if i can get any good trades later. Luckily I have a pretty good group of friends I que with so i don't have to deal with general faggotry, in fact I don't play if they aren't on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Sorry but I find the casuals to be more toxic than hardcore raiders, I mean after all.........we ARE only what was it you said? 5% of the population? That leaves 95% of the toxic players as the casuals, look at the dude with the carebear for his avatar using homophobic slurs in his post.
    You are only 5% of the population but it only takes one of you to really make life terrible for everyone else. With the advent of LFR you can pop into a raid, blow the sky of the meters, link them in raid chat, call everyone a scrub and troll to your hearts content. Luckily now you can be ignored or kicked and I'm NOT beholden to people like that for character progression. Still exposing people to ass douch baggery like that on a massive scale is pretty terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    in fact I don't play if they aren't on.
    That's in your case definitely the best solution.
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    Sorry but I find the casuals to be more toxic than hardcore raiders, I mean after all......
    Very true knowing a full server without any hardcore raiders that still is among the worst I have yet to witness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    All the time. Been in dota 2 since beta. HoN, smite, original Dota, no league though. Getting my rares straight to see if i can get any good trades later. Luckily I have a pretty good group of friends I que with so i don't have to deal with general faggotry, in fact I don't play if they aren't on.

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    You are only 5% of the population but it only takes one of you to really make life terrible for everyone else. With the advent of LFR you can pop into a raid, blow the sky of the meters, link them in raid chat, call everyone a scrub and troll to your hearts content. Luckily now you can be ignored or kicked and I'm NOT beholden to people like that for character progression. Still exposing people to ass douch baggery like that on a massive scale is pretty terrible.
    You do realize casuals and bads treat others like crap for no reason as well right? Stop trying to make raiders into these horrible nasty people and you guys the innocent victims, because it's horseshit, you guys are probably more so than us! Just look at these forums as a good example, the whole community is trash be it so called hardcores or casuals or bads..........they all are dicks pure and simple, the REAL hardcores are quiet and doing their raiding and making world firsts..........I am not hardcore I am not casual.......I play and I raid I just happen to think LFR sucks and breeds bad players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    You do realize casuals and bads treat others like crap for no reason as well right? Stop trying to make raiders into these horrible nasty people and you guys the innocent victims, because it's horseshit, you guys are probably more so than us! Just look at these forums as a good example, the whole community is trash be it so called hardcores or casuals or bads..........they all are dicks pure and simple, the REAL hardcores are quiet and doing their raiding and making world firsts..........I am not hardcore I am not casual.......I play and I raid I just happen to think LFR sucks and breeds bad players.
    I didn't make raiders into these horrible nasty people. In fact if you go back and read one of the earlier posts I made on the topic I made it very clear that lots of them were also good folks to. I think the content they consume engenders and attracts a certain type of behavior and mindset but I'm not foolish enough to believe that rule is universal. I know lots of good raiders to who aren't assholes. It's just the higher up you get in the content the less tolerance people will have for those who are not quite up to snuff.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    You can have a shit experience with other players in any game, WoW's not especially bad in that regard.

    Just last night I did Direbrew on 11 toons. I've done this since Brewfest started with no issues. I got through all but two of them last night - in one the DPS was atrocious (I was dual boxing my undergeared mage with my tank - no dual boxing software just alt tabbing to occasionally attack... and I came first on DPS. On a caster. And no they weren't 89s.) but everyone was friendly about it, just had to quit and re-queue in the end. Not a problem.

    The other one though had a tank that started insulting people and being an aggressive asshole out of nowhere (nobody else was even talking), ran out of the room halfway through the fight, pulled random things and finished up with more insults at the end. Now I remember THAT run and not the 30-40 perfectly fine runs I had. It sticks out in your memory when you have a bad experience.

    LFR is similar, with 25 people in a group and the ease with which you queue, odds are you're going to have a jerk or troll every other run. But it's still like 1/50 people.

    That's one of the advantages of forming a raid group, you automatically filter those people out (most of them don't put in the effort to try to join a raid group anyway). Even a mostly casual pug like in Flexi usually has a pretty good atmosphere versus randoms. But of course it comes at the cost of the time taken to organise it (which can be a nightmare sometimes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    I didn't make raiders into these horrible nasty people. In fact if you go back and read one of the earlier posts I made on the topic I made it very clear that lots of them were also good folks to. I think the content they consume engenders and attracts a certain type of behavior and mindset but I'm not foolish enough to believe that rule is universal. I know lots of good raiders to who aren't assholes. It's just the higher up you get in the content the less tolerance people will have for those who are not quite up to snuff.
    Yeah and what about the people I try and help who do 30k DPS who tell me "Go kill yourself" and more colorful things? Like I said, every walk of life in this game is pure toxic, you just have a massive chip on your shoulder for some reason towards raiders, your posts are proof of it, I don't know if it's because you were told you aren't good enough or what but that chip is there and it is making you quite bigoted and hostile.
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