All of the Tea Party hate from the establishment...

[Orbitus]

The problem is the Tea Party movement has been hijacked by social conservatives.

I agree with a very small amount of core Tea Party ideals, mostly regarding taxation. Aside from that, anecodotally, Tea Partiers I've talked to have a dream of a Libertarian fantasyland where the rich can hire private militias to keep their compounds safe from the unwashed masses who are poor through no other reason than their own mental deficiencies.

Sorry but the whole Taxed Enough Already movement isn't even during the most heavily taxed time. Right now we are in one of the lowest taxed eras since Reagan took office. We should go back to the 50s and get rid of the debt in 20 years. http://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/

[Michonne]

Just to repeat this and put it in perspective, this is equivalent to the TARP bailouts that everybody flipped out at Obama for doing (even though had he not done it, the entire world economy would have collapsed under what-should-be-illegal bank practices).

There was literally zero upside to this money lost (TARP at least saved the world) - nobody gained anything here (well, apart from the democrats winning the 2016 presidential election 3 years ahead of time).

So as a moderator on this website, not only are you endorsing a particular political party over another, but it seems you're also a fortune teller. It must be nice to have an opinion, especially one based on a theory, without having to live within the same rules you force onto others. I'm sorry, but I've been a moderator on a forum and the best action is to usually try to stay neutral... especially when it comes to politics. This is very unprofessional and if I were the Admin here your "privilege" would be revoked.

[stumpy]

So as a moderator on this website, not only are you endorsing a particular political party over another, but it seems you're also a fortune teller. It must be nice to have an opinion, especially one based on a theory, without having to live within the same rules you force onto others. I'm sorry, but I've been a moderator on a forum and the best action is to usually try to stay neutral... especially when it comes to politics. This is very unprofessional and if I were the Admin here your "privilege" would be revoked.

Don't like the facts? Start whining about bias.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that the shutdown hurt the Republicans' standing immensely, and with the Tea Party being utterly unrepentant for causing it, they will continue to do so. Pointing that out isn't being biased.

Plus, (s)he doesn't moderate this subforum. Not that that matters, since the mods only need to be neutral in their actual exercise of mod powers.

[Michonne]

Don't like the facts? Start whining about bias.

You don't need a crystal ball to see that the shutdown hurt the Republicans' standing immensely, and with the Tea Party being utterly unrepentant for causing it, they will continue to do so. Pointing that out isn't being biased.

Plus, (s)he doesn't moderate this subforum. Not that that matters, since the mods only need to be neutral in their actual exercise of mod powers.

Facts is it? Who was it that REFUSED to even negotiate? Was that the Republicans? It is a talking point that has been thrown around since the shut down started on Liberal leaning mainstream media channels. It is not FACT! And it is highly unprofessional of a moderator to inject their political ideals into a thread. You can sit here and nod your head and agree all you want with this garbage, but if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the Democrats "causing the shut down" over an issue, it would STILL be the Republicans fault. Or better yet, just blame Bush!

[GennGreymane]

I dont see how shutting down the government is going against corruption. In fact, many Tea Party Republicans are just as corrupt. It actually is not apart of a Tea Party platform to be against corruption.

They are a far right movement that is simply the Republicans times two. It may have started off with better intentions, but has been corrupted and abused by the Republican system and many Republicans who used to be considered too crazy or not practical now have a voice. These are the same people who will continue to say that Obamacare has gone against the constitution. This is also a law that not only went through every single procedure legally and by the method the constitution pans out, but was also upheld by the Supreme Court. The main Republicans (Tea Party) that orchestrated the shut down represented a small fragment of the U.S. They have scared other Republicans shitless and they have to go along with what they want in fear of losing a primary to their own party for not being conservative enough. There is no moderate Tea Party platform or politician and that is frightening. A country should never adhere to extremes.

We have people who scream and shout over welfare, healthcare, schools, and other public needs because of a few people who may abuse the system in some way. They still rally behind our government when we put trillions into wars we cannot win, and spend more than every other country combined on their military. They are fine with homelessness because they don't want to help thy neighbor, but will vilify any Muslim walking down the street, or any girl who may want a birth control pill to help regulate her hormones(Remember the whole Rush fiasco?). They will praise the lord when they see two men kissing and will condemn those men to hell, but not before they sleep with someone other than their S.O. They cling to their guns and shut up all who oppose them. They want the NSA to keep them safe, while throwing away all other liberties they have. They don't deserve either.

I am not even talking about the Tea Party, they are just a symptom of a greater issue. Americans have lost their way. We live in a country where having a military budget greater than the rest of the world combined in a relative time of peace, is more important and more acceptable than giving small amounts of welfare, food stamps, healthcare, education, and more.

[Michonne]

I dont see how shutting down the government is going against corruption. In fact, many Tea Party Republicans are just as corrupt. It actually is not apart of a Tea Party platform to be against corruption.

They are a far right movement that is simply the Republicans times two. It may have started off with better intentions, but has been corrupted and abused by the Republican system and many Republicans who used to be considered too crazy or not practical now have a voice. These are the same people who will continue to say that Obamacare has gone against the constitution. This is also a law that not only went through every single procedure legally and by the method the constitution pans out, but was also upheld by the Supreme Court. The main Republicans (Tea Party) that orchestrated the shut down represented a small fragment of the U.S. They have scared other Republicans shitless and they have to go along with what they want in fear of losing a primary to their own party for not being conservative enough. There is no moderate Tea Party platform or politician and that is frightening. A country should never adhere to extremes.

We have people who scream and shout over welfare, healthcare, schools, and other public needs because of a few people who may abuse the system in some way. They still rally behind our government when we put trillions into wars we cannot win, and spend more than every other country combined on their military. They are fine with homelessness because they don't want to help thy neighbor, but will vilify any Muslim walking down the street, or any girl who may want a birth control pill to help regulate her hormones(Remember the whole Rush fiasco?). They will praise the lord when they see two men kissing and will condemn those men to hell, but not before they sleep with someone other than their S.O. They cling to their guns and shut up all who oppose them. They want the NSA to keep them safe, while throwing away all other liberties they have. They don't deserve either.

I am not even talking about the Tea Party, they are just a symptom of a greater issue. Americans have lost their way. We live in a country where having a military budget greater than the rest of the world combined in a relative time of peace, is more important and more acceptable than giving small amounts of welfare, food stamps, healthcare, education, and more.

This may be a conspiracy theory (considering the website that I'm on right now), but I do believe that WE THE PEOPLE created the states which in turn created the Federal Government. For some reason, Democrats and Liberals think it's the other way around. That we only exist to worship our Government. And of course anyone that doesn't agree with this insanity is labeled insane. FRINGE! CONSPIRACY THEORIST!

As an American citizen, I love handing over my FREEDOM and LIBERTY in the name of FALSE SECURITY! And I love entrusting corrupt politicians with a country that doesn't belong to them. But then again, when it comes to American Liberals, the ideals of small Government and personal liberty are a conspiracy theory, right?

[stumpy]

Facts is it? Who was it that REFUSED to even negotiate? Was that the Republicans?

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

(repeat 40 times)

House Republicans: Pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare or we'll blow up the economy!

Senate: No. That's stupid.

House Republicans/FOX talking heads/Michonne: Why won't you negotiate?!?

[NYC17]

Facts is it? Who was it that REFUSED to even negotiate? Was that the Republicans? It is a talking point that has been thrown around since the shut down started on Liberal leaning mainstream media channels. It is not FACT! And it is highly unprofessional of a moderator to inject their political ideals into a thread. You can sit here and nod your head and agree all you want with this garbage, but if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the Democrats "causing the shut down" over an issue, it would STILL be the Republicans fault. Or better yet, just blame Bush!

Your bullshit has already been debunked to the nth degree, but acknowledging this would require you to read, and learn. Stop crying about bias. The conservative perpetual victim schtick got old a long time ago.

[Michonne]

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

House Republicans: Hey Senate, pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare.

Senate: No. Come up with something better and we'll talk.

(repeat 40 times)

House Republicans: Pass this bill for us repealing Obamacare or we'll blow up the economy!

Senate: No. That's stupid.

House Republicans/FOX talking heads/Michonne: Why won't you negotiate?!?

Obama: "I will not negotiate"

/end

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Your bullshit has already been debunked to the nth degree, but acknowledging this would require you to read, and learn. Stop crying about bias. The conservative perpetual victim schtick got old a long time ago.

I think the word treason should come up a bit more when it comes to politics, don't you?

[GennGreymane]

This may be a conspiracy theory (considering the website that I'm on right now), but I do believe that WE THE PEOPLE created the states which in turn created the Federal Government. For some reason, Democrats and Liberals think it's the other way around. That we only exist to worship our Government. And of course anyone that doesn't agree with this insanity is labeled insane. FRINGE! CONSPIRACY THEORIST!

As an American citizen, I love handing over my FREEDOM and LIBERTY in the name of FALSE SECURITY! And I love entrusting corrupt politicians with a country that doesn't belong to them. But then again, when it comes to American Liberals, the ideals of small Government and personal liberty are a conspiracy theory, right?

I think what I said went over your head.

[stumpy]

Obama: "I will not negotiate"

/end

Welp, time to put that moderator bias on display.

Maybe you got through your civics classes in grade school by fellating the teacher, but that's not how legislation happens in this country.

Seriously, is Schoolhouse Rock considered liberal propaganda now?

[GennGreymane]

Obama: "I will not negotiate"

/end

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I think the word treason should come up a bit more when it comes to politics, don't you?

It is really hard to negotiate when.... you pass a bill into law, have it upheld, and go through everything by the book. I mean what is there to negotiate?

[NYC17]

Obama: "I will not negotiate"

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I think the word treason should come up a bit more when it comes to politics, don't you?

Which has nothing to do with your whining about a moderator's supposed bias, of a subforum they don't even moderate. Treason has less to do with your uninformed claim of nonnegotiation.

I think I'll keep this discussion right where you started it, as I'm not particularly interested in your rantings and ravings about how oppressed conservatives are. Support your claims, as they aren't compelling(and are grossly devoid of fact/reason) just by virtue of having been made.

[Michonne]

It is really hard to negotiate when.... you pass a bill into law, have it upheld, and go through everything by the book. I mean what is there to negotiate?

A delay? Considering big business either gets a waiver or a delay, but not the average citizen. And after the socialist healthcare cuts my hours down to 20 a week, we can expect the dream act to kick in and take my job all together. But I guess I'm just a rich white Republican. I must be racist to not want to be invaded by illegals and have my hours cut by 50%. It's not like I have a family to support or anything.

[GennGreymane]

A delay? Considering big business either gets a waiver or a delay, but not the average citizen. And after the socialist healthcare cuts my hours down to 20 a week, we can expect the dream act to kick in and take my job all together. But I guess I'm just a rich white Republican. I must be racist to now want to be invaded by illegals and have my hours cut by 50%. It's not like I have a family to support or anything.

I think we cant debate if you insulate my position and my views of you before you actually discuss with me. Have a nice day.

[Michonne]

I think we cant debate if you insulate my position and my views of you before you actually discuss with me. Have a nice day.

Impossible. How can I have a nice day when I'm unemployed half the week because socialist healthcare and illegals are stealing my money? The American Dream: only exists for illegal immigrants, screw anyone born here. But see the illegals "aren't going to take it anymore" ! Don't call THEM teorrists, no! Call the Tea party terrorists and fund the nsa to spy on them! Land of the free!

[Pitkanen]

Obama: "I will not negotiate"
...

on the terms of reopenning the government and not defaulting. But I will negotiate on everything else once you open the government"
/end

Keep in mind, that only 22% of the public thought the tea party should demand dismantling obamacare in order to not shut down the government. While it may not be happy fun time for that 22% that is almost all tea party to hear the snippet you use, there is a bigger portion of the population screaming "Please don't provide incentive the teapublic into doing this again and again and again and again for the next 7 years straight".

[Michonne]

Does anyone know of an island or country that isn't socialist run so I can renounced by American citizenship and get away from these Liberal retards?

[GennGreymane]

Does anyone know of an island or country that isn't socialist run so I can renounced by American citizenship and get away from these Liberal retards?

Pakistan is nice

[Thage]

Does anyone know of an island or country that isn't socialist run so I can renounced by American citizenship and get away from these Liberal retards?

I hear Iran is right up your alley.