How long will it take to pay off the debt?

[fooliuscaesar13]

The US will never pay off all of its debt. Just like a moron with an unlimited credit limit, the US will continue to spend spend spend. Even in the highly unlikely scenario the US becomes a major oil exporter, unless we made 13 trillion in the first fiscal quarter, we'd just keep finding more ways to spend more than we make.

[Laize]

Don't strawman my beliefs. I hold the belief of no privacy in public domain. What we disagree on is what is "public".

Silly me. Thinking private corporations storing my private data would be considered "private".

Republicans can't even get their stances correct though. For example, they nag on food stamps, constantly. What they tend not to realize, is that high food stamp use is a symptom of a larger lower class. And they're content on fighting the symptoms (which actually will make it worse) rather than combating the cause.

Don't generalize. There are plenty of solutions out there that Republicans love. They just rustle Democrats' jimmies because it seems like if the solution doesn't come from Sweden, it's no solution at all.

[Deleted]

I, personally, find the fact that any Republican is re-elected at all a disaster for the United States. I'd sooner have the Democrats fracture into another two parties than the current system.

[Itisamuh]

Never. That is obviously why we are making sure we have the strongest military. We want people to be too scared to get pushy with our debt.

[Rukentuts]

Don't generalize. There are plenty of solutions out there that Republicans love. They just rustle Democrats' jimmies because it seems like if the solution doesn't come from Sweden, it's no solution at all.

Name one solution for the cause that isn't rooted in thirty plus years of failed economic policy.

[Deleted]

we would be in worse shape then we are now if it wasn't for congress blocking most of what Obama wants to do

Name one thing that Obama was able to do that wasn't a failure

1) Obama wants to do X
2) Congress blocks most of X
3) X was a failure (I wonder why!?)
4) Blame Obama for X

Nice hypocritical strategy the Republicans have gotten themselves this round ain't it.

[Rukentuts]

I, personally, find the fact that any Republican is re-elected at all a disaster for the United States. I'd sooner have the Democrats fracture into another two parties than the current system.

I'm hoping the Tea Party splits them. In response, I hope liberals leave the Democrats and join the Greens.

All because I really want to vote Green. A man can dream...

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we would be in worse shape then we are now if it wasn't for congress blocking most of what Obama wants to do

Name one thing that Obama was able to do that wasn't a failure

God I love that crystal ball, where can I buy one on this Cyber Monday?

[Vyxn]

Don't strawman my beliefs. I hold the belief of no privacy in public domain. What we disagree on is what is "public".
Republicans can't even get their stances correct though. For example, they nag on food stamps, constantly. What they tend not to realize, is that high food stamp use is a symptom of a larger lower class. And they're content on fighting the symptoms (which actually will make it worse) rather than combating the cause.

we have had the war on poverty for over 40 yeas and the poverty rate is the same today as it was when the war was declared.
all we have done is made a large group dependent on the government and their numbers are getting larger every year till there will be more takers then we have makers and that is unsustainable
the definition of insanity is keep doing the same thing and expect different results

[Rukentuts]

we have had the war on poverty for over 40 yeas and the poverty rate is the same today as it was when the war was declared.

Look what Reaganomics did to the middle class and get back to me. Not to mention what it did to the national debt.

[Vyxn]

I'm hoping the Tea Party splits them. In response, I hope liberals leave the Democrats and join the Greens.

All because I really want to vote Green. A man can dream...

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God I love that crystal ball, where can I buy one on this Cyber Monday?

its not a crystal ball it is called history it is called looking back on what worked and what doesn't work and not repeating what did not work

[Rukentuts]

its not a crystal ball it is called history it is called looking back on what worked and what doesn't work and not repeating what did not work

How can you look back on what never occurred? Teach me.

[Vyxn]

Look what Reaganomics did to the middle class and get back to me. Not to mention what it did to the national debt.

Reaganomics caused the biggest economic growth in this century it brought more out of poverty then any other time and it raised the debt minuscule compared to what Obama has done. Reagans debt is pocket change compared to Obama

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How can you look back on what never occurred? Teach me.

what ideas that Obama had that was so new that it hasn't been tried before and failed
We know what worked in the past and we know what failed in the past in what Obama wanted to do has been proven to fail socialism and Keynesian economics has been proven to be fail

[Deleted]

we have had the war on poverty for over 40 yeas and the poverty rate is the same today as it was when the war was declared.
all we have done is made a large group dependent on the government and their numbers are getting larger every year till there will be more takers then we have makers and that is unsustainable

Have you ever tried looking at the crystal ball called "What other OECD Countries have done"?



I wonder what those hippie communist socialist liberal scum European countries have in common...

[Rukentuts]

Reaganomics caused the biggest economic growth in this century it brought more out of poverty then any other time and it raised the debt minuscule compared to what Obama has done. Reagans debt is pocket change compared to Obama

Oh God I'm dying.

1) It set us on a course of massive debt increases, mostly incurred by "fiscal conservatives".
2) The middle class is endangered.
3) You apparently cannot look past absolutes, and instead at ratios.
4) You apparently cannot understand that Obama has curbed the debt more than any other President in recent day.

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what ideas that Obama had that was so new that it hasn't been tried before and failed
We know what worked in the past and we know what failed in the past in what Obama wanted to do has been proven to fail socialism and Keynesian economics has been proven to be fail

So you can't give me proof. I'm shocked.

[Deleted]

Well, as long as USA burns that much money to absolutely no gain (military), you guys will never see the end of your national debt. There just comes a day when everything in US is owned by chinese etc. And you guys are used as low cost labour.

[Deleted]

Reaganomics caused the biggest economic growth in this century it brought more out of poverty then any other time and it raised the debt minuscule compared to what Obama has done. Reagans debt is pocket change compared to Obama

That's very nice and cool in Republican magical lala land. But here in the real world, $2.3 trillion dollars in 2013 terms is not pocket change. Especially not when it happened during your "biggest economic growth this century". And you seem to have weird definition of the word "century" as well. Just more inconvenient facts for you to ignore, no doubt.

[Rukentuts]

That's very nice and cool in Republican magical lala land. But here in the real world, $2.3 trillion dollars in 2013 terms is not pocket change. Especially not when it happened during your "biggest economic growth this century". And you seem to have weird definition of the word "century" as well. Just more inconvenient facts for you to ignore, no doubt.

Because the biggest economic expansion in all recent times didn't occur under Clinton, or anything like that.

[Laize]

Name one solution for the cause that isn't rooted in thirty plus years of failed economic policy.

How about pretty much anything out of Switzerland? Their willingness to adopt GMIs, embrace private insurance (the ACA seems modeled from the Swiss) and such? All while rejecting comprehensive and broad welfare programs?

There are few countries that run as well as Switzerland... but no one pays them attention because they're too far right for the progressives and too close to the center for the conservatives.

[Vyxn]

Have you ever tried looking at the crystal ball called "What other OECD Countries have done"?



I wonder what those hippie communist socialist liberal scum European countries have in common...

that is fine and dandy if you want to be a well fed sheep but I rather be free and have that chance to make more then just being above the poverty level

[Rukentuts]

How about pretty much anything out of Switzerland? Their willingness to adopt GMIs, embrace private insurance (the ACA seems modeled from the Swiss) and such? All while rejecting comprehensive and broad welfare programs?

There are few countries that run as well as Switzerland... but no one pays them attention because they're too far right for the progressives and too close to the center for the conservatives.

How about this country?