[Megathread] DotA 2

[Charge me Doctor]

Havent ever seen treant in ranked, what do you guys think? Cause I cant remember the last time I lost a pub match with him, guaranteed denies early due to high base dmg, unlimited tower sustain/amazing right click guard absolutely love the guy.

Oh, i've seen Treant once in rankeds, it was when we horrible lost on all lanes. And he was doing decent job at saving teammates with seeds and ult, and did great job at baiting my allies into "huh, where did he go? *ambushed* *dead*"

[veiledy0]

Yeah, that's the problem with the community, imo. People see a hero who passes as a support and immediately assume smokes, chicken, crow, wards, sentries, dust, and even regen pooling is totally taken care of. TIME TO GO DAGON 5 NYX!!!1

I actually find all these actions you mention a lot more enjoyable than farming as a carry, but the problem that arises is that if people see such a hero picked already in their team, the chances of someone picking another one, even a semi-support, are equal to zero, and the gold income on one hero sometimes just isn't enough to get it all done.

[Deleted]

And there's really nothing you can say to convince me farming is something hard. Last hit creeps, stack ancients if there's no one you can trust your dominated creep to, jungle when lanes are pushed, attack your own creeps as much as needed to maintain equilibrium, watch the map, TP into fights in which you think you can snag kills, or your team really needs you. Even a complete idiot can do this pretty much flawlessly. I'd say maybe in a game where I get 600 gpm, someone who's been playing carries their whole life, and actually enjoys it could get 700 at max, if even that much.

So you bascially mention most of the things that separeate a bad and good carry and you are implying you can do it as well as any pro? Then what else is there that make Swiftending have so much higher average GPM than you and that make him a "10x" better player?

[Sorcereria]

http://www.twitch.tv/iceiceice/b/500713060?t=2h7m10s

I think that game aint a good point out to the hero strengh. Radiant easy lane was completly terribly played, he wasnt zoned out enough.

[Deleted]

I think that game aint a good point out to the hero strengh. Radiant easy lane was completly terribly played, he wasnt zoned out enough.

What do you mean? I watched the first 5 minutes and I think the Disruptor played great. He did what he could to stop the Phoenix and that is against one of the best off laner in the world right now.

[Sorcereria]

Weaver was completly passive from level 1 from what I remember for like 4-5mins, overfocused on last hiting where he had a lot of window to put a little pressure. That was enough.

Reminds me of a game where I was agains drow and some support on clock. Hit drow 4 times in the face and wiped both.

And anyway, Id love to see a game where enemy team isnt stomped after 10min. Stomps are stomps.

Btw, what are you up to nowadays Ariadne

[Clrg]

So you bascially mention most of the things that separeate a bad and good carry and you are implying you can do it as well as any pro? Then what else is there that make Swiftending have so much higher average GPM than you and that make him a "10x" better player?

You know dota 2 isnt just mechanical skill right?

[Deleted]

You know dota 2 isnt just mechanical skill right?

How do map awareness, knowing when to fight, knowing where to farm have anything to do with mechanical skill? I don't know what you're trying to say.

Weaver was completly passive from level 1 from what I remember for like 4-5mins, overfocused on last hiting where he had a lot of window to put a little pressure. That was enough.

And anyway, Id love to see a game where enemy team isnt stomped after 10min. Stomps are stomps.

Btw, what are you up to nowadays Ariadne

Weaver is a low range hero. iceiceice is very strong 1v1 player. He won't go into Weavers attack range unless needed to and notice how iceiceice keeps aggroing creeps back to his range creep so he can stand far away from Weaver and Weaver having iceiceice melee creep's next to him. If Weaver would try to right click Phoenix, who has longer range, he would just push the lane more and give iceiceice even more experience.

I'm just playing Dota mostly.

[Charge me Doctor]

You know dota 2 isnt just mechanical skill right?

That guy listed allalmost all skills you need to be decent player and said "even a complete idiot can do this pretty much flawlessly". I think that it don't need to be explained that he was completely wrong.
But yes, even 100% "mechanical skill" performance is not enough. Making decisions based on situation AND performing 100% "mechanical skill" AND paying attention to game that what makes you a good player.But again, "complete idiot" won't be able to be good at anything he and/or i mentioned. I was outraged when i've read veiledy0 post, because, he basically said "perform like a pro player, even complete idiot can do this flawlessly". And i can't do this, i still miss some last hits with 10 health left on creep, or due to missile travel time, i still miss skillshot based spells, etc. Again, he just called 95% of dota 2 community "complete idiots" because they don't have "mechanical skill" of pro player.

[Sorcereria]

If Weaver would try to right click Phoenix, who has longer range, he would just push the lane more and give iceiceice even more experience.

Weaver could always move in top without agroing creeps, 1 hiting and droping agro off creep.

[veiledy0]

That guy listed allalmost all skills you need to be decent player and said "even a complete idiot can do this pretty much flawlessly".

The key word being almost. I know I can do all of it, and I'm quite bad at this game.

he basically said "perform like a pro player, even complete idiot can do this flawlessly".

Don't know how you've gotten this out of the context. Professional players do much more, first thing on the list being that they're able to play as a team, and have the same state of mind as the other 4 players on their team, which is way more important than any of the mechanical factors, almost up to the point where none of the mechanical skills even matter, because they are so easy for them to pull off.

And i can't do this, i still miss some last hits with 10 health left on creep, or due to missile travel time, i still miss skillshot based spells, etc.

Everyone does, it's just the rate at which you do it that matters.

[Lysah]

This just in - DotA is not a hard game. More at '11.

[hiragana]

Havent ever seen treant in ranked, what do you guys think? Cause I cant remember the last time I lost a pub match with him, guaranteed denies early due to high base dmg, unlimited tower sustain/amazing right click guard absolutely love the guy.

I play him a lot in ranked, im at low mmr though. I have a decent win rate with him, but i never see anyone else playing him, i guess a lot of people at my mmr just dont like his playstyle, most people cant even check the minimap every few seconds to see if middles missing so they wouldnt be much good keeping an eye on their entire team.

[Malkazam]

Any tips for Slandar ? I'm already good with it but i would love to be better.

I already go for Vanguard/desolator combo right after my boot but maybe i'm doing wrong.

[Longview]

Any tips for Slandar ? I'm already good with it but i would love to be better.

I already go for Vanguard/desolator combo right after my boot but maybe i'm doing wrong.

you need blink dagger i think

also try centaur warrunner

[Sorcereria]

I play him a lot in ranked, im at low mmr though. I have a decent win rate with him, but i never see anyone else playing him, i guess a lot of people at my mmr just dont like his playstyle, most people cant even check the minimap every few seconds to see if middles missing so they wouldnt be much good keeping an eye on their entire team.

Its so ***** Annoying if the enemy team is "native" bkb holder. It makes it a free win sometimes if you can just ulti those carries.

[Clrg]

Any tips for Slandar ? I'm already good with it but i would love to be better.

I already go for Vanguard/desolator combo right after my boot but maybe i'm doing wrong.

rush dagger then build anything else you want, avoid vanguard unless you are balling out of control.

something like boots > dagger > armlet > bkb > assault.

[Scummer]

Blink dagger is ok on him but I find it depends on the team comp. If you have somebody else who is already playing the main blink dagger initiator like Magnus or Enigma then you will be better off investing gold elsewhere.

I tend to do boots -> drums and then everything is situational. Armlet is okay but I generally prefer using it on heroes who have some form of lifesteal but I do use it every now and again. I find desolator to be a little overkill on the anti armour, especially if you plan on going AC later which also gives you the bonus AS which is nice for those bash procs.

[Deleted]

I think SADBOYS got great chance of winning TI4. I know it's early to call but Arteezy created a team with some of the best NA has to offer and he plays mid completely different from anyone else. They just play solid Dota, playing what they're good at and don't really follow the meta. I want to see how they fare up against Na'Vi or DK.

[LiiLoSNK]

I think SADBOYS got great chance of winning TI4. I know it's early to call but Arteezy created a team with some of the best NA has to offer and he plays mid completely different from anyone else. They just play solid Dota, playing what they're good at and don't really follow the meta. I want to see how they fare up against Na'Vi or DK.

Sadboys have been playing really well, but DK navi and Alliance are literally leagues above them.

SB Best NA hands down, but that's not saying much.