Reason's behind disgust at 60$ for level 90 chars

[-Superman-]

You cannot sell something if it doesn't give an advantage. People may well get one with the expansion but I suspect that will be limited to pre orders. The valid argument is that outside wealth should never affect the experience in game.

They have announced you get one with the purchase... not a pre-order. You need to stop assuming shit and start researching things.

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The goalpost moving happened a long time ago when people insist that a max level somehow isnt an advantage, but isnt cosmetic.

"Blizzard will only sell cosmetic gear, never things that impact gameplay"-False
"Blizzard will never sell max level characters"-False
"Blizzard will never sell gear"-TBD

Was not aware cosmetic items affected gameplay. Did my Sky Golem cause you to wipe in SoO?
Was not aware lvl 90 was max level in an expansion that goes to lvl 100.
Was not aware you could predict the future since your predictions about the past were WAY OFF.

[Randec]

People will NEVER be equal in real life or in video games. You want some type of socialist setting where everyone should have the exact same circumstance. NEWS FLASH: Will never happen. Prime example... NASCAR.

Wow. I almost fell off my chair with that one. You do know that not everyone in socialist countries lives under the exact same circumstances, right? You do know that socialist countries are some of the most successful on the planet, no? And then the example at the end...NASCAR! BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Giscoicus]

People will NEVER be equal in real life or in video games. You want some type of socialist setting where everyone should have the exact same circumstance. NEWS FLASH: Will never happen. Prime example... NASCAR.

Every car has to be exact, and be under a specific quality. This insures a fair race. But, the mechanics and engineers on the team find ways to streamline the airflow, make the tires last longer, make the gas go further, and ultimately win the race. But, according to the vehicle inspection and specifications, the are all using the same car, with the same motor, and the same type of tires.

Nothing in this world is fair, and I will not feel guilty about paying for an optional service that someone else can't afford. It is not my personal responsibility to make sure everyone has an extra $60 that month just to pay for an optional service.

Right, but why should it be money that determines your success in a game that already requires everybody to buy the game and pay a sub fee? Why would your progression be tied to dumping more money into a game rather than time/effort/skill? This is why so many people are appalled at it being in a P2P game. No matter how good I am as a player, any characters I grind from 1 to 90 and gear up will be behind somebody who payed for a character.

[-Superman-]

exactly. This is why we also need Starter sets of Raiding gear.

Let's be honest, grinding for a starter set to get into Raiding is boring and terrible. I don't have the time or the patience for all that. I want to raid and I'm willing to pay to skip all that stupid grinding and get into Raiding.

So make it happen, Blizzard! We want Starter sets for Raiders! You offer it, I'll be the first to buy it!

I said the Timeless Isle gear just fell outta fucking trees. Why not sell it? Save me 2 hours on the island. I would gladly pay $39 for a full 496 set to get me going in MoP. However, that will likely never go over well since the Pay-to-Win freaks will come flying outta the woodwork faster than a bong at Snoop Dogg's house.

[Giscoicus]

Was not aware cosmetic items affected gameplay. Did my Sky Golem cause you to wipe in SoO?
Was not aware lvl 90 was max level in an expansion that goes to lvl 100.
Was not aware you could predict the future since your predictions about the past were WAY OFF.

Actually yes a level 90 boost does impact gameplay. I never claimed cosmetic items do, nor is sky golem a bought item.

At ANY level cap, a higher level character offers an edge over a level 1, and they are doing this in MoP when the cap is still 90. Also following the past pattern, a level 90 will be able to max professions in WoD at 675 and make level 100 gear.

[Fullmetal89]

Those people that are mad that it's too expensive. If you can pay the sub just play the character to 90, it's a joke to level up nowadays. I can get on right now make a new priest go holy/disc and level up through dungeons exclusively. I would hit level 90 without heirlooms by the end of the week, and that's taking it easy.

[-Superman-]

Right, but why should it be money that determines your success in a game that already requires everybody to buy the game and pay a sub fee? Why would your progression be tied to dumping more money into a game rather than time/effort/skill? This is why so many people are appalled at it being in a P2P game. No matter how good I am as a player, any characters I grind from 1 to 90 and gear up will be behind somebody who payed for a character.

getting a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 expansion is success? Wow. You set your bar pretty friggin low. 7M players have lvl 90s and will be racing to lvl 100 when the content drops. 7M players will also have to level a free 90 that came with WoD unless they save it for the next expac to use on the new class. So tell me smart guy, HOW MANY LVL 100 PLAYERS WILL GIVE A FLYING FUCK THAT A BUNCH OF LVL 90 TOONS JUST GOT BOUGHT? My guess.... ZERO.

[Deleted]

People will NEVER be equal in real life or in video games. You want some type of socialist setting where everyone should have the exact same circumstance. NEWS FLASH: Will never happen. Prime example... NASCAR.

Every car has to be exact, and be under a specific quality. This insures a fair race. But, the mechanics and engineers on the team find ways to streamline the airflow, make the tires last longer, make the gas go further, and ultimately win the race. But, according to the vehicle inspection and specifications, the are all using the same car, with the same motor, and the same type of tires.

Nothing in this world is fair, and I will not feel guilty about paying for an optional service that someone else can't afford. It is not my personal responsibility to make sure everyone has an extra $60 that month just to pay for an optional service.

Exactly, they attempt to create a fair race where everyone is equal. This is the exact opposite of that situation. The entire basis of on line gaming is everyone is the same, as soon as you stray from that it becomes P2W. Up to this point you could strongly argue that everyone in game has equal opportunities. Now, this is no longer the case.

[-Superman-]

Actually yes a level 90 boost does impact gameplay. I never claimed cosmetic items do, nor is sky golem a bought item.

At ANY level cap, a higher level character offers an edge over a level 1, and they are doing this in MoP when the cap is still 90. Also following the past pattern, a level 90 will be able to max professions in WoD at 675 and make level 100 gear.

And the person who is lvl 1 has THE SAME OPTION AVAILABLE to boost to 90. Until we seem Blizz say, "NO WAY DUDE. YOU ARE LVL 1 AND CANNOT BUY ANYTHING IN THE STORE!", I will tell that person to pay for the boost, or stfu.

[Randec]

getting a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 expansion is success? Wow. You set your bar pretty friggin low. 7M players have lvl 90s and will be racing to lvl 100 when the content drops. 7M players will also have to level a free 90 that came with WoD unless they save it for the next expac to use on the new class. So tell me smart guy, HOW MANY LVL 100 PLAYERS WILL GIVE A FLYING FUCK THAT A BUNCH OF LVL 90 TOONS JUST GOT BOUGHT? My guess.... ZERO.

Everything a person succeeds in doing can be called a success. If you really want to quibble over semantics, I don't think anything accomplished in WoW can be considered a success.

[Deleted]

getting a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 expansion is success? Wow. You set your bar pretty friggin low. 7M players have lvl 90s and will be racing to lvl 100 when the content drops. 7M players will also have to level a free 90 that came with WoD unless they save it for the next expac to use on the new class. So tell me smart guy, HOW MANY LVL 100 PLAYERS WILL GIVE A FLYING FUCK THAT A BUNCH OF LVL 90 TOONS JUST GOT BOUGHT? My guess.... ZERO.

The bar cant be that low - it costs $60 in real money to cheat your way there.

[Beefsquatch]

They have announced you get one with the purchase... not a pre-order. You need to stop assuming shit and start researching things.

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Was not aware cosmetic items affected gameplay. Did my Sky Golem cause you to wipe in SoO?
Was not aware lvl 90 was max level in an expansion that goes to lvl 100.
Was not aware you could predict the future since your predictions about the past were WAY OFF.

No, but certain cosmetic items may or may not attract certain players. But because they have to pay for it, they can't get it. Cosmetics in a cash shop shouldn't exist in a P2P game.

That's 90 levels you don't have to go through to reach Draenor. So yes, it is an advantage.

Many years ago I remember when people wanted race changes and faction changes...I remember a blue post stating that it would NEVER happen. Yet here we are. What did people learn from then on? Blizz will say something one day and do another the next. It's happened time and time again.

[Deleted]

I find it a massive step down a horrible slippery slope.

It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth this sort of thing on a sub based game

You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.

[Infernix]

I said the Timeless Isle gear just fell outta fucking trees. Why not sell it? Save me 2 hours on the island. I would gladly pay $39 for a full 496 set to get me going in MoP. However, that will likely never go over well since the Pay-to-Win freaks will come flying outta the woodwork faster than a bong at Snoop Dogg's house.

Pfft. As if I'd pay for 496 gear.

I'll pay for a nice set of 522 gear, though. That's not even close to the 553+ stuff and it'll still get me into Norm SoO without a problem.

I'd pay for it, so would everyone else.

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You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.

Uhhmm...I don't know how to tell you this, but they've lost about half their subs since LK ended. I think that's the exact polar opposite of 'only get bigger and bigger'

[Randec]

You could say that, but you have to remember it's not just a game. It's the biggest grossing game ever and by far (talking probably $12 billion+). This is still a phenomenon. Some people around here are forgetting this. It's not super attack of the mutant camels on c64. It's Wow, the gaming behemoth. It will only get bigger and bigger.

I welcome the store and these new additions. It will make the game better. I miss vanilla very much (haven't subbed in almost 6 months) but ok.. this is where we are now.

We're a big part of that success. We don't deserve to be taken advantage of.

[-Superman-]

Exactly, they attempt to create a fair race where everyone is equal. This is the exact opposite of that situation. The entire basis of on line gaming is everyone is the same, as soon as you stray from that it becomes P2W. Up to this point you could strongly argue that everyone in game has equal opportunities. Now, this is no longer the case.

It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

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Many years ago I remember when people wanted race changes and faction changes...I remember a blue post stating that it would NEVER happen. Yet here we are. What did people learn from then on? Blizz will say something one day and do another the next. It's happened time and time again.

They were using LORE as an excuse at the time until people said screw the lore and let us do (insert random service). Until they unlock all the race class combos and allow me to race change all my toons to Gnomes, I don't believe it.

[Randec]

It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

It's only pay to win if not everyone is allowed to buy the stuff? What? Willy wonka now?

If anything, you're the girl who thinks she can/should be able to buy everything.

[rhorle]

If it hasn't created the need, why does it exist?

Because Blizzard gave a boost with WoD so returning players could just buy the expansion and get right into WoD content. Instead of having to level from what ever point the left off at. The community then liked the idea of a boost so much and asked Blizzard to create an individual boost so that they don't have to go through the Account Merge shuffle to buy a boost for more then one character.

The game hasn't created a need for a boost. Far from it.

[Beefsquatch]

It is not Pay-to-Win if EVERYONE can purchase a lvl 90 in a lvl 100 world. You keep using this phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means. Everyone is getting a FREE 90 when they purchase WoD. No one has an advantage cause everyone got one. It's like that scene in Willy Wonka with the Gobstoppers. Everyone gets one but some little twit still isn't satisfied.

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They were using LORE as an excuse at the time until people said screw the lore and let us do (insert random service). Until they unlock all the race class combos and allow me to race change all my toons to Gnomes, I don't believe it.

Doesn't matter if it was our fault or not. Point is, people were saying it would never happen yet it did. Just like people right now saying Blizz would never sell ilvl gear or certain advantages on the cash shop. You never know what blizz will see potential in in the near future.

[lactose]

Wows biggest ripoff is the money they make vs the speed at which they produce content. By the time WoD comes out it will be worse than the end of wrath in terms of time between end and start of expacs.

60 bucks for an optional service, the way to complai is to never use it. Ranting about it doesnt bother them