Alterac Vally needs updating. [Suggestion included]

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Couldn't take OP seriously after in 2 paragraphs he blamed map balance for horde losing and then admitted they lose ebcause they don't back cap (which is easier for horde)

Learn to AV /thread

um quote me on that please

also you shouldn't /thread as it rarely ever is and makes you look a douche

[Osmeric]

Couldn't take OP seriously after in 2 paragraphs he blamed map balance for horde losing and then admitted they lose ebcause they don't back cap (which is easier for horde)

Learn to AV /thread

Actually, the horde can win even without backcapping. They can defend the two FW Keep towers instead. This also defends Drek, so it prevents the alliance from trying a "Drek with two towers up" strategy.

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Yes, but longer games are less honor currently so losing fast is worth it over winning slow.

Defend the FW Keep towers and win fast. There is no good reason for the horde to not defend.

[Raiju]

Actually, the horde can win even without backcapping. They can defend the two FW Keep towers instead. This also defends Drek, so it prevents the alliance from trying a "Drek with two towers up" strategy.

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Defend the FW Keep towers and win fast. There is no good reason for the horde to not defend.

You need a good 15 people for this to be viable against a zerg or your 5-10 will get rolled over by the 35~. At this point you also can't attack until all towers are down really.

So yeah, whats your point? Turtle win isnt a turtle win now?

[Deleted]

Choke points do not really have much effect in wow because of the game engine.

1. players can run through each other
2. attacking requires targeting

Even though there are abilities that do not require targeting, they are not really common and are not effective at stopping 40 people from running past.

Alliance could just run through hordes and proceed to kill the boss.

[Osmeric]

You need a good 15 people for this to be viable against a zerg or your 5-10 will get rolled over by the 35~. At this point you also can't attack until all towers are down really.

So yeah, whats your point? Turtle win isnt a turtle win now?

Except the alliance doesn't send 35 people to FW Keep. A small number of paladins and DKs dribble in first, then some more, but not 35 overall. 10 or so are behind guarding IB/TP, and more may be back capping. The early arrivers are crucial for the usual alliance strategy, to get the cap timers ticking on RH and the FW towers, and are easy to kill. The defenders are assisted by the archers, who are stronger now, and by the map change that closed the back way into the upper keep area behind the west tower.

Alliance can't really push into the upper keep until they have a nearby graveyard, since the horde is rezzing right there. Any alliance casualties are taken out of the fight for a long time, spawning back at SH GY or farther north.

Properly executed, and with the usual alliance response, this can lead to the horde zerg beating the broken alliance zerg. No turtle is needed, although one may break out.