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    Solid dps for flex

    Heya!

    Currently looking into PvE for the first time since early cata. I have warrior, hunter and warlock. Since it would take some time for all of those to gear up in flex, i want to pick one. I have problem with this tho hehe.

    Which one of these DPSes is most prefered?

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    Warlock>hunter> warrior unless is siegecrafter then raid leaders have a hard on for warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Warlock>hunter> warrior unless is siegecrafter then raid leaders have a hard on for warriors.

    Siegecrafter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Thoris View Post
    Warlock>hunter> warrior unless is siegecrafter then raid leaders have a hard on for warriors.
    What this guy said, except Hunters on Siegecrafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flichenstein View Post
    Siegecrafter?
    The first boss of the last wing siegecrafter blackfuse

    Its usually best to have the hunter and warlock on belt duty

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    Quote Originally Posted by flichenstein View Post
    Siegecrafter?
    I meant hunters I typed warriors. Derp.

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    do whichever you enjoy the most
    if you enjoy them all equally, i agree that you will likely get more group invites as a warlock
    hunters generally good lots of invites too, the problem is there a billion hunters so it'll come down to either you and a geared hunter, they'll take the other guy

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    Destro is easy to play and more importantly to someone picking random people for a Flex pug, even if you're really bad you'll probably do useful DPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flichenstein View Post
    Heya!

    Currently looking into PvE for the first time since early cata. I have warrior, hunter and warlock. Since it would take some time for all of those to gear up in flex, i want to pick one. I have problem with this tho hehe.

    Which one of these DPSes is most prefered?
    warlock x1000, no other class is even remotely close right now.
    then warrior, solid dps and banners are just awsome
    then hunter last, bad dps and bad utility

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMine View Post
    warlock x1000, no other class is even remotely close right now.
    then warrior, solid dps and banners are just awsome
    then hunter last, bad dps and bad utility
    cant tell if trolling or noob, i guess if you call being able to cover every raid buff if needed, misdirect and slowing traps, and shitting on warrior damage unless there's packs for repeated bladestorms, you may be right
    Last edited by Bull; 2014-04-08 at 01:44 PM.

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    There's an unsubstantiated belief that bringing melee to pugs is bad. Its much harder to get into a truly random pug as a melee than a lock or hunter.

    Those 2 have an easy time as locks have great dps and hunters can bring every buff which is real useful to completely random pugs. They also do good dps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    cant tell if trolling or noob, i guess if you call being able to cover every raid buff if needed, misdirect and slowing traps, and shitting on warrior damage unless there's packs for repeated bladestorms, you may be right
    banners are a million times better than misdirect/trap
    you will never hear "oh lets bring a hunter we need misdirect/traps" but you will hear very often "lets bring a warrior, we need banners"

    also, hunters can not cover every raid buff, they can cover ONE raid buff. its not like they can magically summon 8 different pets at once to buff everyone.

    and hunters shitting on warrior dps??? are u high??
    unless ur talking about thok, or ur warriors play arms, hunter damage is crap compared to warriors, single target or aoe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazzorx View Post
    There's an unsubstantiated belief that bringing melee to pugs is bad. Its much harder to get into a truly random pug as a melee than a lock or hunter.

    Those 2 have an easy time as locks have great dps and hunters can bring every buff which is real useful to completely random pugs. They also do good dps.
    Pugs will bring a 520 warlock instead of a 540 rogue EVERY TIME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMine View Post
    banners are a million times better than misdirect/trap
    you will never hear "oh lets bring a hunter we need misdirect/traps" but you will hear very often "lets bring a warrior, we need banners"
    Yeah, I hear that all the time! Oh, wait, no, I've never heard anyone ever ask for banners. But I do hear "we need heroism AND <insert name of buff here>, so lets get a hunter." And a hunter's primary utility isn't traps, it's the ability to completely negate several mechanics with deterrence and do full DPS while moving anywhere from 0-40 yards from target.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMine View Post
    also, hunters can not cover every raid buff, they can cover ONE raid buff. its not like they can magically summon 8 different pets at once to buff everyone.
    Do you really think he meant "a single hunter can cover every raid buff at the same time"? No, you're just being obtuse. A single hunter, can, however, provide attack power, heroism, a combat res, de-enrage, the healing debuff and any one of the the following: attack speed, spell power and crit (at the same time), mastery, spell haste, stat bonus, physical vulnerability or spell vulnerability. What other class can provide all of that? None.

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMine View Post
    and hunters shitting on warrior dps??? are u high??
    unless ur talking about thok, or ur warriors play arms, hunter damage is crap compared to warriors, single target or aoe
    Umadbro?
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Immer...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/The_F...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Norus...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Sha_o...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Galak...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Iron_...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Kor&#39;k...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Malko...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spoil...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Thok_...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Siege...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Parag...01100000000000
    http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Garro...01100000000000

    Warriors win spoils and Garrosh (lolstorm ftw) and Hunters win every. single. other. encounter. So tired of hearing bad hunters whine. Just because you're under-performing doesn't mean your class is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull View Post
    cant tell if trolling or noob, i guess if you call being able to cover every raid buff if needed, misdirect and slowing traps, and shitting on warrior damage unless there's packs for repeated bladestorms, you may be right
    every raid buff if needed
    wat... sure if you're running with like 10 people.

    misdirect
    Misdirect is not needed in a single boss fight this tier unless the tanks suck at holding threat.

    slowing traps
    Meh, not really needed at all this tier. Maybe on blackfuse mines but that's it.

    and shitting on warrior damage
    In BiS gear. Fury warriors do more single target damage than any hunter spec.

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    http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T16H.html

    Read it and weep bro.

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    So he asks for best dps for flex, and you link BIS warrior huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imhere View Post
    wat... sure if you're running with like 10 people.



    Misdirect is not needed in a single boss fight this tier unless the tanks suck at holding threat.



    Meh, not really needed at all this tier. Maybe on blackfuse mines but that's it.



    In BiS gear. Fury warriors do more single target damage than any hunter spec.

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    http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T16H.html

    Read it and weep bro.
    Irrelevant as pugs will always take ranged over melee. So for flex and normal pugging easy group finding: you want to go ranged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krazzorx View Post
    Irrelevant as pugs will always take ranged over melee. So for flex and normal pugging easy group finding: you want to go ranged.
    What pugs are you getting into?

    >also implying melee/ranged comp even matter in flex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imhere View Post
    What pugs are you getting into?

    >also implying melee/ranged comp even matter in flex.
    You understand the way WoW's hive mind works, right?

    Everything is either "optimal" or "garbage."

    So, bringing another warlock is "optimal," and bringing most anything else is "garbage."

    In general it seems like flex pugs (the ones that care at all) are thinking: "It seems like it might break the game or be cheating or just too easy if we brought no melee at all, even though melee suck, so I dunno, bring some warriors? And that 563 assassination rogue, he should be okay for Flex 1 you think?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imhere View Post
    SimC is good, but not perfect, and I didn't realize you were still fighting Patchwerk. I'm pretty sure the rest of us were talking about Flex SoO, for which 10N is a fairly good substitution for actual, real world performance numbers. Of course, if you'd like to tell me how that simulation of an impossible fight is more accurate than the actual numbers logged by actual players in actual raids, I will prepare to weep. For your addled mind.

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