If you guys are so good and have so much experience why dont you make your own group, a good leader is worth a lot more than any high ilv and will be a better chance for success. People are less likely to compain about your ilv when you are carrying them as group leader and can kick them on a whim
its not riiculous - people can make whatever req they want - also 550 itlv means nothing - it can be as well partially upgraded lfr gear with few ordos/celestial pieces and cloak - and tbh i dont blame them - im pugging my 2nd monk alt as tank an the stupidity i have seen in those 525-530 itlv groups is just beyond anything - including text of the month i have heared today " can i bring my lock friend hes 534 and does good dps 100k + " i left that group the second they invited him -_-
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Been going on since wrath. Usually some raid lead who doesn't even have the requirements he is asking for looking to get boosted. Asking for a higher item level than what drops in that mode is pretty stupid though. You don't need 540/550 for flex.
Long story short, make your own group.
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Just because you are 7/14hc does not entitle you to a free to go spot in random flex raids. I'm 10/14hc in a casual guild and some main raiders don't even know how to play... Having experience does not guarantee you have skills on your alt. Just like EVERYONE ELSE, you have to suck it up and get the required ilvl OR make the group yourself. Posts like this make me want to throw up, just as if you're entitled to a spot over others with lesser gear because you have experience...
oh it's not really hard once u know the fight you have a basic understanding, my main ele shaman is 14/14 hc and i had no issue pugging 14/14 normal on my blood dk, how different can it be i'm not even in melee range on my shaman, but luckily i have a memory and eyes so i know the encounter!
and OP only wants to do flex, not even normal!
why i stopped raiding = elitists. don't have time for their shit.
people who said "get crafted 522 boots" and the guy thats spending valor on 522 gear. have you forgotten about honor gear, which is 522 and is identically useful as pve 522 gear since pvp stats dont affect item budget? And you can farm the honor by spamming heroic 5 mans and converting JP to honor?
but really, i agree that people trying to fix stupid with absurd ilvl, regardless of being heroic XP, proven DPS title, etc etc?
I just wanted to comment on this because I don't think its a matter of you being a good player or not. You could be amazing, but 517 is still INCREDIBLY low. To get the mount, Garrosh has to die on Normal. He drops 553 item level gear. That is multiple tiers ahead of what you are. Even if you played your class to 110% of what its capable of doing, you will still be leagues behind the minimum requirement to do it. Essentially, you would have to be carried in order to achieve what you want right now. Yes, no one carries. That isn't a crack at you, or people looking down on you... its just you have to work for your achievement.My iLvl is 517, no one wants me because I am a "scrub" and bring nothing to the raid, and experience doesn't matter. The fact I raided hardcore BC until Cata means nothing now, with such a crap ilvl I wont get to raid.
Just like others have mentioned, there are quick and easy ways to pad your item level up. You can get the Timeless gear that is 535. Do Celestials. Work on your Legendary cape. Of course, you can do your LFRs. Craft the 553 off pieces. Get some SoO LFR gear and hop into some flexes. You'll be well above 530 item level in no time. Still, you will most likely need ~550 item level to even be considered for Garrosh but first thing is first.
Last edited by Forsedar; 2014-04-21 at 12:34 AM.
it would if it was my raid. experience and understanding of an encounter (or any serious raiding) is worth so much more than gear. so soooooo sooo much it's not even close.
now it's true that, especially in a final raid tier, a bad player can get a few heroic kills but it's not hard to spot the difference between someone who got carried and someone who knows what they're doing and can produce consistent results.
EDIT: and that guy in 517 gear who raided BC to cata, i'd take him too if it was flex.
Last edited by Racthoh; 2014-04-21 at 12:41 AM.
It wouldnt make a difference in my raid. The fact that a person is 7/14H on a completely different toon is irrelevant. It doesn't have an effect on, for example a 515 toon, because 515 is still 515. Bad DPS is still bad DPS. Squishy tank is still a squishy tank and under geared healer will more than likely finish lower than the tanks / hybrid toons. If you consider that a person wearing full BiS T14 heroic was close to 515 two tiers ago you would understand just how low of an item level that is for where we're at in the raid tier. Flex at that low of an item level is 100% a carry.
However, I know how it goes and if Im helping a guildy out in flex and theres a decent number of guildies in the group, I turn a blind eye to lower item levels. Only because I know we can carry the weight. Now if I'm playing my under geared 540-550 alts, I have zero problem saying No to someone around 515. It's not worth it.
If you can't carry a bit of slack on alts of 540-550 then that's just pathetic and you are exactly the type of person that wants to overgear the nuts off content to feel skilled.
@ The OP, make your own group and set your own requirements. You won't get super convenient runs at lower item levels.
But WHY should we? Theres absolutely no reason a 515 person cant go through the same hoops of progression that everyone else went through.
The solution comes down to if you dont like the rules, make your own group. If I wanted to make a group requiring 575+ for NORMAL SoO I could. Would people complain? Fuck yes they would. Would the group fill? You bet it would. So if people want to complain that groups dont want to carry their pathetic item levels maybe they should spend their time earning gear as opposed to whining about it. It takes almost ZERO effort to get 535-540 these days. I had a toon who hit 550 without even stepping into normal SoO.
Last edited by strues; 2014-04-21 at 02:01 AM.
Depends on the group really, i killed garrosh at 525 ilvl, but i also am a healer and know both my main and alt very well. My 540 healer now destroys most healers that are 560 with a cloak. Hell in an alt run a couple days ago, i was beating an ilvl 568 healer. Truth is, people have this notion that ilvl=skill, when in fact, i have seen multiple 560+ players that were absolute garbage.
I agree with some people though, run your own. I use to run my own flexes on my alt cause his ilvl was so low, but i never got carried. I mean im not gonna bring my 578 toon to a flex. People are getting out of hand with garrosh requirements. The fight is an absolute joke!
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I realize what your point is but using a 575 for a normal soo is a bit lol. I won't step foot in a normal run on my 578 main, but i know what you were trying to do there lol