[Moonkin] Guide :: 5.4 Edition

[huth]

New upgrades going to change the BiS? at least im going to focus into more mastery now. Try to balance it out somewhat now, but even at 578 i cant really get too much crit because of super high movement fights like paragons and a bit of garrosh. Thoughts? maybe it will just be shifting to more mastery. I'd assume another haste BP is out of the picture?

Mostly the next BP just isn't worth it. No real reason to prioritise mastery over crit, though.

[Deleted]

You say it's an increase but you don't mention how much of an increase. Personally I think you'd get more DPS by saving the SS proc for the 1.5 seconds so it did ~50% more damage in Eclipse.

The first macro you linked really isn't worth suggesting to people because it's going to cause them more harm than good in 99.9% of situations because it messes with spell queuing. The second macro you linked I've never seen before so I tried it, it also works fine but it's impossible to queue spells due to it being a cast sequence so I don't see that ever being a DPS increase.

You're maybe right on the SS-proc being in eclipse might be a DPS-boost. My theory was faster eclipse-cycles->more starfalls. Since I am currently playing with my crit rating at 12000 and going rest of it into mastery makes my starfall more powerful than others. I've tried 15000 critrating but saw an DPS-loss of about 30-40k.

About the macros:
I saw an DPS-boost of ~20k when i got these macros and i felt that it eased my playstyle as well. I am playing with less than 20ms home/world and on a 100/100 fiber-cable. The server being located about ~362km(225 miles) probably also makes a difference.

[Juvencus]

You're maybe right on the SS-proc being in eclipse might be a DPS-boost. My theory was faster eclipse-cycles->more starfalls. Since I am currently playing with my crit rating at 12000 and going rest of it into mastery makes my starfall more powerful than others. I've tried 15000 critrating but saw an DPS-loss of about 30-40k.

About the macros:
I saw an DPS-boost of ~20k when i got these macros and i felt that it eased my playstyle as well. I am playing with less than 20ms home/world and on a 100/100 fiber-cable. The server being located about ~362km(225 miles) probably also makes a difference.

Where and how long were your tests? Got an logs to share?

[Deleted]

Where and how long were your tests? Got an logs to share?

My tests has mainly been made while raiding. I've just compared two different weeks where i had 14000 and 13000 crit. Could probably do some test with Wrathcalcs/Simcraft but i don't have time or willingness as I am nowhere close to being a hardcore raider Just adding something to the discussion as i see every single boomkin stacking crit. I want to try something different.

I got logs: http://raidbots.com/epeenbot/eu/kazzak/gelios/ Then go to 10 Heroic -> 8th of May is the day i tried out stacking crit instead of mastery on Immerseus, Protectors, Norushen, Sha of Pride, Galakras.

I know that this is FAR away from being "enough" testing to prove my theory right

[Glurp]

About the macros:
I saw an DPS-boost of ~20k when i got these macros and i felt that it eased my playstyle as well. I am playing with less than 20ms home/world and on a 100/100 fiber-cable. The server being located about ~362km(225 miles) probably also makes a difference.

I saw a DPS loss of ~150k when I tested the castsequence macro 5 different times on a dummy. It works as advertised and It definitely cut down a lot on SS proc wastage but losing the ability to queue spells hurts DPS so much it's not even worth considering. Possibly it is due to me playing on 400ms while you with 20ms are fine, however I have no personal reference as to how latency effects gameplay and spell queuing so I wouldn't know.

[Juvencus]

I saw a DPS loss of ~150k when I tested the castsequence macro 5 different times on a dummy. It works as advertised and It definitely cut down a lot on SS proc wastage but losing the ability to queue spells hurts DPS so much it's not even worth considering. Possibly it is due to me playing on 400ms while you with 20ms are fine, however I have no personal reference as to how latency effects gameplay and spell queuing so I wouldn't know.

I definitely liked using the /cancelqueuedspell macro but I stopped using it as it would sometimes break midfight making me unable to cast Starsurge and having to open the spellbook >.<

I know it's not a valid reason but I don't know if it's the nature of the macro that breaks it or one of my million addons...

[Deleted]

I saw a DPS loss of ~150k when I tested the castsequence macro 5 different times on a dummy. It works as advertised and It definitely cut down a lot on SS proc wastage but losing the ability to queue spells hurts DPS so much it's not even worth considering. Possibly it is due to me playing on 400ms while you with 20ms are fine, however I have no personal reference as to how latency effects gameplay and spell queuing so I wouldn't know.

Damn, this truly shows how macros can either be hurtful or a boost to some players. You can still queue spells if you don't spam the macro, you're supposed to only click it when you get the SS procc. I guess my 20ms gives me a lot more time to react to things(SS proccs etc.) between GCDs

Anyhow, what about going for mastery after 12000 crit or so? I'm basing my theory on this guy's graphs

I actually saw that Lappe has stopped going for crit after 14000 and is now stacking mastery. Will the 5.4.8 patch make mastery more valuable?

[Leaky]

I actually saw that Lappe has stopped going for crit after 14000 and is now stacking mastery. Will the 5.4.8 patch make mastery more valuable?

Are you sure Lappe is doing that as a permanent solution and not just testing things out? Those guys are at a stage where any change is okay to test out especially since fights for them are shorter and shorter and their strats are so refined they can potentially move a LOT less than anyone else who is still progressing.

[Aboubacar]

Damn, this truly shows how macros can either be hurtful or a boost to some players. You can still queue spells if you don't spam the macro, you're supposed to only click it when you get the SS procc. I guess my 20ms gives me a lot more time to react to things(SS proccs etc.) between GCDs

Anyhow, what about going for mastery after 12000 crit or so? I'm basing my theory on this guy's graphs

I actually saw that Lappe has stopped going for crit after 14000 and is now stacking mastery. Will the 5.4.8 patch make mastery more valuable?

Just wanna say that graph is a bunch of .. BS I guess. It's useful yes. It's accurate (the graph/math on SS procs), but the way they chose to use it is just ridiculous. They assume this means crit is worse after 12000 rating, which is hogwash. They don't consider the fact that crit also gives you DoT extension or just, well, double damage.... If these factors were considered when exploring "crit caps (which there is no such thing, or even a soft cap), then that info would be useful to us players. They instead tunnel SS procs... unreal. napkin math at its worst. There's a reason that site has fallen out since cata or wrath? idk the time, but it's certainly not a knowledge-center for balance druids anymore.

[Deleted]

Hello there, fellow celestial poultry, long time reader here coming for some advice. I have some problems edging out my deeps when it comes to multidotting fights (i.e. Protectors, Norushen, Maybe even Gala), more to the point, I am not entirely sure how many targets should I dot up with my eclipsed dot, while still making sure I dont waste too much SS proccs. I generally go for HotW + Inc (although I am considering going NV for gala because our downtime between waves seems to be sufficient for it to become a DPS gain, from what I gather downtime between waves increases NV value).

On every fight (except Norushen) I use the solar opener, on Norushen i start pre-lunar and pop CDs on the 1st solar eclipse (roughly when the adds start popping up). I think its also worth mentioning that im one of the last to go under and get cleared of corruption and waiting to get cleared will mean losing an entire CA usage.
On shamans as another example I open, all guns blazing, dot everything up and start nuking one of the wolves, only refreshing dots on it at the end of CA, then when I enter lunar I reapply moonfire to the shamans and the other wolf.

On single target fights I generally do very well, scoring 1-4 place in a 25 man grp, but on Multitarget fights I fall behind quite badly (even behind our other moonkin(s)), and we're not talking about a marginal difference here that can be attributed to RNG.

So if anyone could weigh in and give me some tips I would be very grateful. My char is Furrygonne at Stormscale(EU) (no perm to post links yet), don't have any logs to show unfortunately. Will provide more info if needed and perhaps after tonight I'll provide a log as well.

Thank you in advance!

Quick EDIT: I have both Juggernaut's Power Core HC and Kardris' Scepter HC, but am using Gaze of Arrogance HC WF, I Sim higher with the latter, but want to get an educated human guess whether or not the former could be a better combo.

[Fred Garvin]

Fellow moonkins,

I need help with Heroic Spoils. I use the Solar Opener and was told I have that nailed. Here are the issues I'm having:

- My burst is right on the money, but my dps starts to lag towards the middle and end
- I'm not targeting quick enough. I tab target now but believe a macro for Unstable Spark will help, then a targetlasttarget
- I'm doing waaaay too many empowered moon/sunfires on mobs that are going to die well before my spell ends
- I'm popping Treants when trinkets are up (mostly, need to work on that), but I'm doing them on mobs that die too fast
- Do the Treants attack something else once their mob dies, I really hate to ask that but I'm new to FoN.

I'm lucky in that I have a lead Boomkin who is helping me figure out my problems and I really want to do better. From my logs and gear, can anyone make suggestions on how to keep my dps up at a stable pace through the fight (i.e: am I on the right track with what I've figured out so far?)

I cannot post URL's quite yet, but my profile is Adiastas on Baelgun and the logs can be found on Baelgun/Alliance/Sacred for last night.

Thanks!
Adi

[Juvencus]

Fellow moonkins,

I need help with Heroic Spoils. I use the Solar Opener and was told I have that nailed. Here are the issues I'm having:

- My burst is right on the money, but my dps starts to lag towards the middle and end
- I'm not targeting quick enough. I tab target now but believe a macro for Unstable Spark will help, then a targetlasttarget
- I'm doing waaaay too many empowered moon/sunfires on mobs that are going to die well before my spell ends
- I'm popping Treants when trinkets are up (mostly, need to work on that), but I'm doing them on mobs that die too fast
- Do the Treants attack something else once their mob dies, I really hate to ask that but I'm new to FoN.

I'm lucky in that I have a lead Boomkin who is helping me figure out my problems and I really want to do better. From my logs and gear, can anyone make suggestions on how to keep my dps up at a stable pace through the fight (i.e: am I on the right track with what I've figured out so far?)

I cannot post URL's quite yet, but my profile is Adiastas on Baelgun and the logs can be found on Baelgun/Alliance/Sacred for last night.

Thanks!
Adi

Off the bat, your problems are centered around the fact that you use FoN for Spoils.

Don't waste globals dotting stuff like the small sparks or if you do then use only eclipsed dot. Same goes for the "boss" statues. On 10man you might wanna dot them up but on 25man it's not really necessary.

[Fred Garvin]

Yeah, I brought to my lead that most folks run Inc for Spoils but he was right to say he's doing more dps with FoN than I am with marginally better gear (he's on the logs as well).

[Juvencus]

Yeah, I brought to my lead that most folks run Inc for Spoils but he was right to say he's doing more dps with FoN than I am with marginally better gear (he's on the logs as well).

If you like that talent choice then it's cool.

From what I see in the logs (I have only average knowledge in them) Volardon has 540 eclipse energy gained while you have a staggering 200 energy only.

You also camp eclipses for too long and it takes you too long to switch between them. This results in very low NG uptime (yours 55% vs. 77.6% his) which circles around making you stay too long in and out of eclipses.

Also your Moonfire damage is disproportional to that of your Sunfire, your Starsurge damage somewhat simmilar but you only have half his Starfire damage.

I suggest you have a read around advanced Moonkin gameplay to help you improve your damage.

Also Solar opener is pointless if you are not using CA immediately. Better start pre-Lunar for the Pandaren boxes and be in solar to pop CA on the boss box. Or open both Pandaren on pull and pop CA using the Solar opener.

[Fred Garvin]

If it helps, here is the opener I've been using:

25 before 0 in Solar > Starfall > Starsurge > CA Macro (pops CA/Lifeblood/Moonfire/Mushrooms if I can place em) > Treant x3 > Wrath > SS on proc > Starfall on cd > empowered MF > Starfall in Lunar > etc..

And thank you for such a prompt response! Adi

[Juvencus]

If it helps, here is the opener I've been using:

25 before 0 in Solar > Starfall > Starsurge > CA Macro (pops CA/Lifeblood/Moonfire/Mushrooms if I can place em) > Treant x3 > Wrath > SS on proc > Starfall on cd > empowered MF > Starfall in Lunar > etc..

And thank you for such a prompt response! Adi

I only looked at the longest attempt (08:46min) and it shows that you used CA almost a minute in (I guess at the boss box) which makes a Solar opener pointless.

It's also pointless to start pre-Solar in the fight and waste an uneclipsed Starsurge.

A big mistake I see there is the use of Wrath during CA.

[Fred Garvin]

On all attempts, I prepot at -2, starfall at -1, jump down, target the first mob and hit SS to start the CA (if that clarifies), not quite sure why it would show me starting the opener a min in, odd.

[Deleted]

On spoil i'm using this opener :

- 25 ernergy pre lunar.
- Jump down.
- starfall while the 2 panda box a being opened.
- wrath to reach lunar then normal cycle while saving the extra starfall for the boss and doting both panda.

- Usualy i just reach solar in the time we need to kill them and i'm doing a solar opener on the mini boss.

[Glurp]

Starting on mogu side I am pre-solar, jump down and AC into solar while tank is running to panda boxes. DoT them both up and SS/wrath them until they die, then use Inc + CA once large is opened like a normal Solar opener. How you open on spoils is going to be completely down to what side your starting on and how quickly you open the boxes. Overall it really won't make a huge difference to your overall DPS unless you're doing something horribly wrong.

[Ktperry]

Helo guys, recently started playing my boomy more seriously.
Now there is 1 questions that bugging me, do i need to interpt my cast, when i get a instant Starsurge proc?

I read somewhere that i dont have to, on other places it says depending on iLvl..?
Also using Resto Tier legs, because of iLvl, recently got the LFR version of the tier, worth swapping them, got FLex shoulders 2/2 soi'll get 4 set?
Should i go for 2nd HBP? According to AMR, i'll loose 7.53% mastery and 4.12% crit, is it worth it?

Anyway - here's my armory - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nella/advanced